WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.210 --> 00:00:02.940 This week, we bid a fond farewell to Star Trek: Picard 2 00:00:02.940 --> 00:00:04.770 by chatting with series star Jeri Ryan 3 00:00:04.770 --> 00:00:06.450 and Showrunner Terry Matalas; 4 00:00:06.450 --> 00:00:07.830 the cast of Star Trek: Picard 5 00:00:07.830 --> 00:00:10.260 take us on a deep dive into the series finale; 6 00:00:10.260 --> 00:00:11.730 and we'll discover the secrets 7 00:00:11.730 --> 00:00:14.280 behind the season's magnificent score. 8 00:00:14.280 --> 00:00:15.360 Take your station 9 00:00:15.360 --> 00:00:16.969 and report to The Ready Room. 10 00:00:23.250 --> 00:00:24.720 Hey, nerds! I'm Wil Wheaton, 11 00:00:24.720 --> 00:00:26.190 and this is The Ready Room, 12 00:00:26.190 --> 00:00:28.020 your official behind-the-scenes hub 13 00:00:28.020 --> 00:00:30.420 for all things Star Trek Universe. 14 00:00:30.420 --> 00:00:31.530 The crew of the Enterprise-D 15 00:00:31.530 --> 00:00:33.060 has completed their final mission 16 00:00:33.060 --> 00:00:34.170 and I don't know about you, 17 00:00:34.170 --> 00:00:36.780 but I need a minute to process all of the things 18 00:00:36.780 --> 00:00:37.800 that I am feeling! 19 00:00:37.800 --> 00:00:40.110 And since this series finale 20 00:00:40.110 --> 00:00:43.410 marked the end of an adventure 35 years in the making, 21 00:00:43.410 --> 00:00:46.743 I would be remiss if I didn't call for a red alert! 22 00:00:47.670 --> 00:00:49.650 We'll be raising a spoiler-filled glass 23 00:00:49.650 --> 00:00:52.020 to the finest crew ever assembled. 24 00:00:52.020 --> 00:00:54.690 So, if you haven't experienced the emotional journey 25 00:00:54.690 --> 00:00:56.737 that is Star Trek: Picard's final episode, 26 00:00:56.737 --> 00:00:58.440 "The Last Generation," 27 00:00:58.440 --> 00:00:59.940 May I suggest you watch it ASAP 28 00:00:59.940 --> 00:01:02.820 and then emergency transport yourself right back here 29 00:01:02.820 --> 00:01:03.820 to The Ready Room. 30 00:01:05.010 --> 00:01:08.190 It is my absolute privilege to have Jeri Ryan, 31 00:01:08.190 --> 00:01:10.380 who plays the new captain of the Enterprise-G 32 00:01:10.380 --> 00:01:11.310 Seven of Nine, 33 00:01:11.310 --> 00:01:13.410 and Star Trek: Picard Executive Producer 34 00:01:13.410 --> 00:01:15.030 and Showrunner Terry Matalas, 35 00:01:15.030 --> 00:01:16.440 here with me today 36 00:01:16.440 --> 00:01:19.770 to take us through the incredible conclusion 37 00:01:19.770 --> 00:01:21.320 of The Next Generation story. 38 00:01:22.350 --> 00:01:23.490 One of my favorite parts 39 00:01:23.490 --> 00:01:25.680 of Star Trek: Picard's final season 40 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:26.760 has been the music. 41 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:29.760 It's been so good at setting the emotional tone 42 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:30.870 for the series. 43 00:01:30.870 --> 00:01:33.330 Later, we'll get a behind-the-scenes look 44 00:01:33.330 --> 00:01:34.410 at a scoring session 45 00:01:34.410 --> 00:01:37.320 with series composers Stephen Barton and Frederik Wiedmann 46 00:01:37.320 --> 00:01:39.420 to find out what went into creating 47 00:01:39.420 --> 00:01:42.120 the season's emotion-stirring soundtrack. 48 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:44.250 But before we get to any of that, 49 00:01:44.250 --> 00:01:46.200 for more than three decades, 50 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:50.640 the crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D 51 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:52.717 have lived up to our mantra, 52 00:01:52.717 --> 00:01:56.580 "To boldly go where no one has gone before." 53 00:01:56.580 --> 00:01:58.590 This week's series finale episode 54 00:01:58.590 --> 00:02:01.170 was everything I wanted it to be. 55 00:02:01.170 --> 00:02:03.420 Seeing my friends, 56 00:02:03.420 --> 00:02:08.280 my family, save the galaxy one more time was epic. 57 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:09.863 It was exciting and emotional, 58 00:02:09.863 --> 00:02:11.613 it was basically all of the things. 59 00:02:12.690 --> 00:02:13.770 And we here in The Ready Room 60 00:02:13.770 --> 00:02:15.840 aren't quite ready to say goodbye. 61 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.840 So, we put together this in-depth look 62 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:22.320 at everything that went into giving Star Trek: Picard 63 00:02:22.320 --> 00:02:24.240 and Star Trek: The Next Generation 64 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:25.830 a proper sendoff. 65 00:02:25.830 --> 00:02:26.823 Control room, 66 00:02:27.810 --> 00:02:28.643 make it so. 67 00:02:31.763 --> 00:02:33.240 This is curious. 68 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:36.420 Shields are lowering and weapons are redirecting. 69 00:02:36.420 --> 00:02:38.130 What is this? 70 00:02:38.130 --> 00:02:41.883 It's an invitation. 71 00:02:46.230 --> 00:02:49.620 Watching the crew take their stations again 72 00:02:49.620 --> 00:02:50.940 after all this time, 73 00:02:50.940 --> 00:02:53.640 intermixed with the new crew on this mission, 74 00:02:53.640 --> 00:02:55.110 it's amazing to see them all together. 75 00:02:55.110 --> 00:02:57.630 I think that you locked in so emotionally 76 00:02:57.630 --> 00:02:59.400 on these characters and what they were going through, 77 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:01.530 and yet it opened doors 78 00:03:01.530 --> 00:03:04.320 that they could have never even imagined for themselves. 79 00:03:04.320 --> 00:03:05.153 Who else? 80 00:03:05.153 --> 00:03:07.290 Who else could have saved The Next Generation 81 00:03:07.290 --> 00:03:09.180 other than the next generation? 82 00:03:09.180 --> 00:03:10.383 But we're back. 83 00:03:12.539 --> 00:03:13.530 And then on top of that, 84 00:03:13.530 --> 00:03:16.290 we see essentially the other younger members of the ship 85 00:03:16.290 --> 00:03:19.010 turn into these Borgs, 86 00:03:19.010 --> 00:03:19.843 be Borgified. 87 00:03:19.843 --> 00:03:23.100 There's this transition into this dark, ominous shadow 88 00:03:23.100 --> 00:03:24.810 that takes over not only the ship, 89 00:03:24.810 --> 00:03:27.210 but, like, obviously the whole last two episodes. 90 00:03:27.210 --> 00:03:28.650 The Titan is exposed. 91 00:03:28.650 --> 00:03:30.270 Proceed to retake command. 92 00:03:30.270 --> 00:03:32.760 Jean-Luc becomes subject 93 00:03:32.760 --> 00:03:36.540 to a family storyline 94 00:03:36.540 --> 00:03:39.450 that has the biggest impact on him 95 00:03:39.450 --> 00:03:41.010 of anything else, 96 00:03:41.010 --> 00:03:44.910 but it was what made the filming of Picard 97 00:03:44.910 --> 00:03:47.109 so very interesting. 98 00:03:47.109 --> 00:03:48.030 At last, 99 00:03:48.030 --> 00:03:50.503 Locutus has returned 100 00:03:50.503 --> 00:03:53.133 to his true family. 101 00:03:53.133 --> 00:03:54.810 When we see that Borg Queen, 102 00:03:54.810 --> 00:03:56.847 this is a dying Queen 103 00:03:56.847 --> 00:03:59.640 that has basically consumed her children 104 00:03:59.640 --> 00:04:01.920 to sustain herself to this moment 105 00:04:01.920 --> 00:04:03.690 to create a new kind of Borg. 106 00:04:03.690 --> 00:04:06.420 That's also a story of the last generation 107 00:04:06.420 --> 00:04:07.590 and the next generation. 108 00:04:07.590 --> 00:04:10.980 So, it all felt thematic about the stories we were telling 109 00:04:10.980 --> 00:04:12.990 which is parents and their children 110 00:04:12.990 --> 00:04:15.900 and how the next generation inherits 111 00:04:15.900 --> 00:04:18.270 the sins of the previous generation. 112 00:04:18.270 --> 00:04:19.560 I feel for Jack, 113 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:22.440 the revelation that he's part Borg. 114 00:04:22.440 --> 00:04:23.700 It's a complete shock. 115 00:04:23.700 --> 00:04:25.260 How do you process that? 116 00:04:25.260 --> 00:04:26.100 With Jack, 117 00:04:26.100 --> 00:04:29.790 it comes as such a surprise to Jean-Luc. 118 00:04:29.790 --> 00:04:31.380 This all goes back to the moment, 119 00:04:31.380 --> 00:04:34.620 that Picard was turned into his greatest enemy 120 00:04:34.620 --> 00:04:36.270 and has still lived with that, 121 00:04:36.270 --> 00:04:38.880 what if he had passed that on to his son? 122 00:04:38.880 --> 00:04:39.780 Throughout the series, 123 00:04:39.780 --> 00:04:41.970 it's always felt like an illness, 124 00:04:41.970 --> 00:04:45.960 but this is such a much bigger thing. 125 00:04:45.960 --> 00:04:48.300 And if you look back at what it meant 126 00:04:48.300 --> 00:04:50.040 when Picard was Locutus, 127 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.530 so for that to suddenly be Jack's story 128 00:04:52.530 --> 00:04:56.490 is a huge weight to try and comprehend. 129 00:04:56.490 --> 00:04:58.470 When Picard plugs himself in... 130 00:04:58.470 --> 00:04:59.303 Jean-Luc! 131 00:05:01.590 --> 00:05:04.350 [Ed] And they go into that sort of dreamworld sequence, 132 00:05:04.350 --> 00:05:07.260 it's the ultimate moment of what Jack has been looking for, 133 00:05:07.260 --> 00:05:08.100 his connection, 134 00:05:08.100 --> 00:05:10.050 that's what destroys the evil 135 00:05:10.050 --> 00:05:11.100 that's been eating him up. 136 00:05:11.100 --> 00:05:13.260 He needed Picard to realize that as well. 137 00:05:13.260 --> 00:05:17.193 You have changed my life forever. 138 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:21.603 One final toast, huh? 139 00:05:23.340 --> 00:05:24.600 There was a young lady from- 140 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:25.433 [All] Data! 141 00:05:26.336 --> 00:05:27.390 I always wanted to finish that. 142 00:05:27.390 --> 00:05:29.010 We didn't dare hope 143 00:05:29.010 --> 00:05:32.040 that we'd ever get to play together as an entire family. 144 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:33.120 At the end of the season, 145 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:34.890 all seven of us are back together, 146 00:05:34.890 --> 00:05:36.660 including a wonderful sequence 147 00:05:36.660 --> 00:05:38.430 that we did in 10 Forward. 148 00:05:38.430 --> 00:05:39.457 To that end! 149 00:05:41.172 --> 00:05:44.005 [All excitedly chattering] 150 00:05:45.795 --> 00:05:46.843 [Jonathan] Terry Matalas, 151 00:05:46.843 --> 00:05:48.240 who directed the final block of the show, 152 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:50.280 had the, for Star Trek, I think, 153 00:05:50.280 --> 00:05:52.530 unique idea to let us ad lib, 154 00:05:52.530 --> 00:05:53.730 to let us improv, 155 00:05:53.730 --> 00:05:54.930 to let us vamp. 156 00:05:54.930 --> 00:05:57.150 All right, here we go, action! 157 00:05:57.150 --> 00:05:59.220 [Michael] That's the right and the wrong thing 158 00:05:59.220 --> 00:06:00.510 to tell us. 159 00:06:00.510 --> 00:06:03.180 We can get a little out of control 160 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:04.740 and it's hard to bring us back. 161 00:06:04.740 --> 00:06:07.080 So we had a little bit of dialogue that we took care of, 162 00:06:07.080 --> 00:06:08.490 and then we just improved, 163 00:06:08.490 --> 00:06:10.640 and really took the piss out of each other. 164 00:06:11.880 --> 00:06:14.046 I fold! 165 00:06:14.046 --> 00:06:15.720 It was very emotional, actually, 166 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:17.160 to play cards again, 167 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:18.960 Patrick doing his Shakespeare. 168 00:06:18.960 --> 00:06:21.150 I had a tear in my eye, for sure. 169 00:06:21.150 --> 00:06:23.790 That was a really satisfying scene to play 170 00:06:23.790 --> 00:06:27.600 because it was a throwback to the original series. 171 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:28.980 [Patrick] People will remember 172 00:06:28.980 --> 00:06:32.640 that in the very final scene of Next Generation 173 00:06:32.640 --> 00:06:34.710 when we were playing cards, 174 00:06:34.710 --> 00:06:37.320 the whole group of us were around the table 175 00:06:37.320 --> 00:06:39.000 and Picard says... 176 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:40.740 I should have done this a long time ago. 177 00:06:40.740 --> 00:06:44.010 The moments of us being ourselves 178 00:06:44.010 --> 00:06:45.420 as well as the characters, 179 00:06:45.420 --> 00:06:47.040 the line becomes invisible. 180 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:50.250 That's how close I think we are to these characters. 181 00:06:50.250 --> 00:06:51.990 The best thing of all of it, 182 00:06:51.990 --> 00:06:55.140 and I bet you most of my castmates would say the same, 183 00:06:55.140 --> 00:06:56.940 we are like family to each other. 184 00:06:56.940 --> 00:07:00.150 We were all galvanized to be playing poker again. 185 00:07:00.150 --> 00:07:04.260 It's one of the moments in the entire series 186 00:07:04.260 --> 00:07:06.663 that always moved me very deeply. 187 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:10.530 My goal was this needs to be a sendoff 188 00:07:10.530 --> 00:07:11.850 to The Next Gen cast. 189 00:07:11.850 --> 00:07:14.670 It felt like a great way to honor Star Trek 190 00:07:14.670 --> 00:07:17.070 and reflect on where these characters are now. 191 00:07:17.070 --> 00:07:20.040 This finale has been amazing. 192 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.230 We get to see something familiar, 193 00:07:22.230 --> 00:07:26.010 but there's also a growth and depth in those characters. 194 00:07:26.010 --> 00:07:29.250 [Patrick] There were these new experiences 195 00:07:29.250 --> 00:07:32.610 quite unlike any that we'd had before 196 00:07:32.610 --> 00:07:34.020 in Next Generation. 197 00:07:34.020 --> 00:07:37.980 And I think that played a very, very important part 198 00:07:37.980 --> 00:07:39.423 for all of us, 199 00:07:39.423 --> 00:07:42.750 that we were experiencing this together. 200 00:07:42.750 --> 00:07:46.263 It's been an honor serving with you all. 201 00:07:47.911 --> 00:07:49.560 And I just think it's such beautiful closure 202 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:50.850 to end the series this way, 203 00:07:50.850 --> 00:07:52.350 with this huge new beginning 204 00:07:52.350 --> 00:07:54.990 with Seven, Raffi, Jack, and Sidney La Forge, 205 00:07:54.990 --> 00:07:56.580 and just all of the younger crew members, 206 00:07:56.580 --> 00:07:58.950 I just think it's a beautiful beginning 207 00:07:58.950 --> 00:08:00.700 of that next journey. 208 00:08:10.710 --> 00:08:12.780 We began this season of Star Trek: Picard 209 00:08:12.780 --> 00:08:15.120 by talking with the former Captain of the Enterprise, 210 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:16.290 Patrick Stewart, 211 00:08:16.290 --> 00:08:18.360 so it's only appropriate that we finish 212 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.720 by talking with the current Captain of the Enterprise, 213 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:22.553 Jeri Ryan, 214 00:08:22.553 --> 00:08:25.620 who joins me alongside Showrunner Terry Matalas. 215 00:08:25.620 --> 00:08:26.850 Jeri and Terry, 216 00:08:26.850 --> 00:08:28.949 you have been friends for over 20 years- 217 00:08:28.949 --> 00:08:29.782 - Ever! 218 00:08:29.782 --> 00:08:32.160 -since working together on Star Trek: Voyager, 219 00:08:32.160 --> 00:08:34.920 now you are here together in The Ready Room. 220 00:08:34.920 --> 00:08:36.240 Welcome. 221 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:37.073 - Thank you. - Thank you. 222 00:08:37.073 --> 00:08:38.040 Let's get started. 223 00:08:38.040 --> 00:08:39.296 Jeri. 224 00:08:40.170 --> 00:08:41.700 I did not see it coming 225 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:43.950 that Seven was gonna get promoted at all. 226 00:08:43.950 --> 00:08:46.530 You are now the second friend in my life 227 00:08:46.530 --> 00:08:49.350 who is the Captain of the Enterprise. 228 00:08:49.350 --> 00:08:50.183 It's pretty cool. 229 00:08:50.183 --> 00:08:52.200 It feels like kind of a big deal. 230 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.380 So, how are you finding it? 231 00:08:55.380 --> 00:08:58.470 It doesn't suck to be the Captain of the Enterprise. 232 00:08:58.470 --> 00:09:00.270 It's better now 'cause I can actually talk about it 233 00:09:00.270 --> 00:09:02.610 because for the last year and a half almost... 234 00:09:02.610 --> 00:09:04.503 [Wil] It's a huge secret to keep! 235 00:09:04.503 --> 00:09:08.220 Talk to me about Seven's journey, 236 00:09:08.220 --> 00:09:11.910 starting from where she started so long ago 237 00:09:11.910 --> 00:09:12.870 to where she is now. 238 00:09:12.870 --> 00:09:15.540 She's grown so much as a character, 239 00:09:15.540 --> 00:09:18.480 talk to me about bringing her from where she was 240 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:19.803 to where she is. 241 00:09:20.670 --> 00:09:22.290 [Jeri] I mean, 242 00:09:22.290 --> 00:09:24.420 this character, from day one, 243 00:09:24.420 --> 00:09:26.850 has been such a gift as an actor 244 00:09:26.850 --> 00:09:29.880 because, I mean, that sort of character arc 245 00:09:29.880 --> 00:09:31.590 and growth and change and development, 246 00:09:31.590 --> 00:09:32.970 that's what you look for in a character, 247 00:09:32.970 --> 00:09:36.300 and this, I mean, you start out completely Borg, 248 00:09:36.300 --> 00:09:38.103 you have to learn how to be human, 249 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:40.920 learn how to experience emotion, 250 00:09:40.920 --> 00:09:42.660 learn how to have a relationship, 251 00:09:42.660 --> 00:09:45.060 any sort of interpersonal relationship. 252 00:09:45.060 --> 00:09:48.360 And watching her go through this process, 253 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:49.710 and going through this process with her, 254 00:09:49.710 --> 00:09:53.430 and seeing her struggles and seeing her resilience 255 00:09:53.430 --> 00:09:55.770 and finding her place 256 00:09:55.770 --> 00:09:59.073 and finally feeling like "Okay, I think I do belong." 257 00:10:00.030 --> 00:10:03.690 When she struggled against it so much for so long 258 00:10:03.690 --> 00:10:06.120 and finding her home and her family 259 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:08.490 I think is pretty cool. 260 00:10:08.490 --> 00:10:12.467 She really just fits perfectly in the chair. 261 00:10:12.467 --> 00:10:13.300 Right? 262 00:10:13.300 --> 00:10:14.133 Jeri, 263 00:10:14.970 --> 00:10:16.110 when she sits down, 264 00:10:16.110 --> 00:10:18.030 she has to lean, the Captain's lean. 265 00:10:18.030 --> 00:10:20.515 [Wil] It's so important to have that lean. 266 00:10:20.515 --> 00:10:21.348 [Terry] And she looks so good, 267 00:10:21.348 --> 00:10:22.680 even from the first episode 268 00:10:22.680 --> 00:10:23.910 when she sits down, 269 00:10:23.910 --> 00:10:25.560 we all saw it on the day. 270 00:10:25.560 --> 00:10:27.051 You said it right away. 271 00:10:27.051 --> 00:10:28.080 He was like, "Oh, she's Kirk!" 272 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:29.170 Yeah, there you go. 273 00:10:29.170 --> 00:10:32.070 Right away, she had the the lean and the look, 274 00:10:32.070 --> 00:10:34.560 and we were just like, that's what you wanna see. 275 00:10:34.560 --> 00:10:37.230 We knew we were on the right course. 276 00:10:37.230 --> 00:10:41.190 Let's go right to the end of this episode. 277 00:10:41.190 --> 00:10:42.750 Okay. 278 00:10:42.750 --> 00:10:45.600 This could not have ended any other way. 279 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:47.190 When I knew that you had taken over 280 00:10:47.190 --> 00:10:48.540 and you were in charge of everything 281 00:10:48.540 --> 00:10:49.860 and that we were gonna be wrapping up, 282 00:10:49.860 --> 00:10:51.990 I knew, "Oh, we're ending with that shot 283 00:10:51.990 --> 00:10:52.860 from 'All Good Things,'" 284 00:10:52.860 --> 00:10:54.330 I just knew. 285 00:10:54.330 --> 00:10:57.240 There was no way you were not gonna do that 286 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.580 and I love it so much. 287 00:10:59.580 --> 00:11:01.980 Talk to me about bringing that together, 288 00:11:01.980 --> 00:11:03.600 blocking that shot. 289 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:06.330 It looked like everybody was just having all kinds of fun, 290 00:11:06.330 --> 00:11:08.280 like, ad libbing around that table, goofing off, 291 00:11:08.280 --> 00:11:10.530 it felt like my friends hanging out together. 292 00:11:11.580 --> 00:11:13.783 I don't know any other way to end it. 293 00:11:13.783 --> 00:11:15.300 I really thought about it, right? 294 00:11:15.300 --> 00:11:16.957 Because, look, 295 00:11:16.957 --> 00:11:18.940 "All Good Things" is the greatest 296 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:22.980 series finale of all time. 297 00:11:22.980 --> 00:11:23.813 Yeah. 298 00:11:23.813 --> 00:11:25.040 There's nothing that beats it. 299 00:11:25.040 --> 00:11:27.450 And I thought the difference here would be 300 00:11:27.450 --> 00:11:29.640 what if we spend a little time with them? 301 00:11:29.640 --> 00:11:30.473 Yeah. 302 00:11:30.473 --> 00:11:33.810 What if we got to have the wish fulfillment 303 00:11:33.810 --> 00:11:34.740 as an audience 304 00:11:34.740 --> 00:11:37.740 of being with Patrick and Jonathan 305 00:11:37.740 --> 00:11:39.480 and Marina and Brent and Michael, 306 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.040 LeVar and Gates. 307 00:11:41.040 --> 00:11:46.040 And what you're seeing is them being them for a moment. 308 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.904 I let the camera run for 45 minutes. 309 00:11:49.904 --> 00:11:51.645 Just, yeah. 310 00:11:51.645 --> 00:11:52.680 I mean, and I'm sure someday 311 00:11:52.680 --> 00:11:54.540 everybody's gonna want all that footage. 312 00:11:54.540 --> 00:11:56.280 Maybe we'll put it on the Blu-Ray. 313 00:11:56.280 --> 00:11:57.390 Of just them, 314 00:11:57.390 --> 00:12:00.570 that's all genuine smiles and laughs and jokes, 315 00:12:00.570 --> 00:12:02.670 that's all real, what you're seeing there. 316 00:12:02.670 --> 00:12:04.050 [Wil] Yeah, I could tell that wasn't scripted, 317 00:12:04.050 --> 00:12:05.370 I was like, those are my friends talking. 318 00:12:05.370 --> 00:12:06.685 [Terry] Right! 319 00:12:06.685 --> 00:12:09.990 And that's what I wanted the audience to feel 320 00:12:09.990 --> 00:12:12.870 what it's like to be on set with them 321 00:12:12.870 --> 00:12:15.363 and to be with this cast one last time. 322 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:18.532 And then, of course, 323 00:12:18.532 --> 00:12:22.680 to have that beautiful final, 324 00:12:22.680 --> 00:12:24.570 incredible, iconic last shot, 325 00:12:24.570 --> 00:12:28.740 and then just stay with them through those end credits. 326 00:12:28.740 --> 00:12:32.580 It just felt like there was no other way to do it. 327 00:12:32.580 --> 00:12:33.720 I felt like this season 328 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:35.770 you got to play a little bit as a writer, 329 00:12:36.900 --> 00:12:41.900 especially when we come to Jack and Picard in the cube 330 00:12:44.410 --> 00:12:49.410 and Picard deciding to go ahead and, like, 331 00:12:49.650 --> 00:12:53.103 risk reassimilation to save his son. 332 00:12:53.940 --> 00:12:55.440 It's like, everything's at stake, 333 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:58.080 more so than the galaxy, for him. 334 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.930 Talk to me about coming to that point 335 00:13:00.930 --> 00:13:03.780 and putting them in that scene together. 336 00:13:03.780 --> 00:13:07.950 It was all about what's the absolute worst thing 337 00:13:07.950 --> 00:13:11.220 that could happen to Jean-Luc Picard. 338 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:12.810 Patrick was very firm 339 00:13:12.810 --> 00:13:14.670 that he really was not particularly interested 340 00:13:14.670 --> 00:13:15.930 in revisiting the Borg. 341 00:13:15.930 --> 00:13:16.920 Uh-huh. 342 00:13:16.920 --> 00:13:20.550 And so, when I sat down to sell him the show, 343 00:13:20.550 --> 00:13:21.840 this season, I said, 344 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:24.420 "But what is the worst thing that could ever happen 345 00:13:24.420 --> 00:13:25.530 to Jean-Luc?" 346 00:13:25.530 --> 00:13:30.530 would be to see his son become a form of Locutus. 347 00:13:32.520 --> 00:13:37.520 But for Picard to go and reassimilate, 348 00:13:37.950 --> 00:13:40.170 to go into the collective, 349 00:13:40.170 --> 00:13:41.340 you know, he says that line, 350 00:13:41.340 --> 00:13:43.230 that "I've been running from the collective 351 00:13:43.230 --> 00:13:44.280 for half of my life, 352 00:13:44.280 --> 00:13:46.920 and now I have something to go back for," 353 00:13:46.920 --> 00:13:49.740 is a completion of the Locutus arc. 354 00:13:49.740 --> 00:13:54.740 To me, this was the most satisfying faceoff for Picard 355 00:13:55.620 --> 00:13:58.980 was to face the Borg in this way 356 00:13:58.980 --> 00:14:01.500 in the most deeply emotional way possible 357 00:14:01.500 --> 00:14:05.760 and that was to save his son from the same fate 358 00:14:05.760 --> 00:14:07.320 that he went through. 359 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:11.130 And Patrick and Ed in that final scene, 360 00:14:11.130 --> 00:14:13.297 I mean, they'll break you. 361 00:14:19.530 --> 00:14:22.050 Then if you won't leave, 362 00:14:22.050 --> 00:14:23.073 I'll stay with you. 363 00:14:27.823 --> 00:14:28.823 Til the end. 364 00:14:38.340 --> 00:14:40.230 [Terry] And yeah, I mean, they're so good. 365 00:14:40.230 --> 00:14:43.710 But, you know, that was the core of the season was 366 00:14:43.710 --> 00:14:45.850 can Picard get through to his son? 367 00:14:47.310 --> 00:14:48.990 And can love conquer all? 368 00:14:48.990 --> 00:14:53.340 And so, yeah, that was the gist of it. 369 00:14:53.340 --> 00:14:55.350 And how great is Ed, by the way? 370 00:14:55.350 --> 00:14:56.183 Ed is... 371 00:14:56.183 --> 00:14:57.630 - [Wil] He's sensational. - Yeah. 372 00:14:57.630 --> 00:14:59.100 [Wil] He's absolutely sensational. 373 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:02.820 Alice Krige coming in to voice the Borg Queen. 374 00:15:02.820 --> 00:15:03.653 Yes. 375 00:15:03.653 --> 00:15:05.010 Again, that's a get! 376 00:15:05.010 --> 00:15:07.410 Even if somehow you survived, 377 00:15:07.410 --> 00:15:09.390 you'd be different, 378 00:15:09.390 --> 00:15:10.770 changed, 379 00:15:10.770 --> 00:15:11.603 broken, 380 00:15:12.463 --> 00:15:13.620 alone. 381 00:15:13.620 --> 00:15:15.420 - [Terry] Yes. - That was terrific. 382 00:15:15.420 --> 00:15:16.410 It had to be. 383 00:15:16.410 --> 00:15:17.550 It had to be her. 384 00:15:17.550 --> 00:15:19.080 We couldn't, you know, 385 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:22.920 because we went with a very different aesthetic with her, 386 00:15:22.920 --> 00:15:25.260 we had this amazing body double 387 00:15:25.260 --> 00:15:28.230 to help with this sort of emaciated look 388 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:30.900 because the Borg are very different. 389 00:15:30.900 --> 00:15:33.990 This Queen has been consuming her own 390 00:15:33.990 --> 00:15:36.120 after Janeway poisoned them. 391 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:38.010 [Wil] That whole thing just blew my mind, 392 00:15:38.010 --> 00:15:42.180 that whole setup of that Queen just eating itself 393 00:15:42.180 --> 00:15:44.823 and that Queen just, like, 394 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:47.910 turning from I'm gonna assimilate everything 395 00:15:47.910 --> 00:15:48.743 and save everything 396 00:15:48.743 --> 00:15:49.860 to I'm just gonna destroy everything. 397 00:15:49.860 --> 00:15:51.358 She's mad. 398 00:15:51.358 --> 00:15:52.200 - Like, she's lost it. - She's big mad. 399 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:56.400 She needed to be as scary and as hideous as possible 400 00:15:56.400 --> 00:15:58.260 and it had to be Alice, 401 00:15:58.260 --> 00:16:01.260 she is the voice of the Borg Queen, 402 00:16:01.260 --> 00:16:03.810 she is, and that voice is just so... 403 00:16:03.810 --> 00:16:07.200 We were very lucky that we got her back to do this. 404 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:08.900 Let's talk about Seven and Shaw. 405 00:16:09.750 --> 00:16:10.583 Oh, okay. 406 00:16:11.670 --> 00:16:13.590 Todd Stashwick. 407 00:16:13.590 --> 00:16:14.423 Oh, I love him. 408 00:16:14.423 --> 00:16:15.576 I love him! 409 00:16:15.576 --> 00:16:16.409 He's so brilliant. - Yeah. 410 00:16:16.409 --> 00:16:17.250 Can we just have a brief meeting 411 00:16:17.250 --> 00:16:18.870 of the Todd Stashwick Appreciation Society? 412 00:16:18.870 --> 00:16:19.703 Come on! 413 00:16:19.703 --> 00:16:21.300 Todd, dude, 414 00:16:21.300 --> 00:16:23.580 you're so good in this show! 415 00:16:23.580 --> 00:16:24.413 Can we talk? 416 00:16:24.413 --> 00:16:25.260 Officially? No. 417 00:16:25.260 --> 00:16:26.640 Unofficially? 418 00:16:26.640 --> 00:16:27.473 No. 419 00:16:27.473 --> 00:16:28.620 He's a meme. 420 00:16:28.620 --> 00:16:29.460 He's so good! 421 00:16:29.460 --> 00:16:32.112 I told him he's my favorite character. 422 00:16:32.112 --> 00:16:33.000 I think he's everybody's favorite character. 423 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:33.900 He is brilliant. 424 00:16:34.950 --> 00:16:36.930 I have loved the tension between him and Seven 425 00:16:36.930 --> 00:16:38.340 from the very, very beginning 426 00:16:38.340 --> 00:16:39.600 and it's weird, like, 427 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:42.900 even before this episode where, like, 428 00:16:42.900 --> 00:16:44.040 we found out, like, oh, yeah, 429 00:16:44.040 --> 00:16:45.420 he clearly respects her, 430 00:16:45.420 --> 00:16:47.460 I have thought from the very beginning 431 00:16:47.460 --> 00:16:48.840 when he is so bristly 432 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:51.240 and he's carrying the trauma of Wolf 359, 433 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.790 he cannot help but respect her, right? 434 00:16:53.790 --> 00:16:55.437 Like, it's so clear in that 435 00:16:55.437 --> 00:16:58.203 and he kind of, like, fights against that. 436 00:16:59.310 --> 00:17:03.960 Before we get to Seven and Tuvok, 437 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.750 just talk to me about Seven and Shaw 438 00:17:06.750 --> 00:17:07.920 and that relationship 439 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:10.590 and tell me how fun it was to play with Todd. 440 00:17:10.590 --> 00:17:12.000 Oh, my God. 441 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:13.190 No, he's... 442 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:15.020 I mean... 443 00:17:16.260 --> 00:17:17.970 What can I even say about playing with Todd? 444 00:17:17.970 --> 00:17:20.160 He's beyond brilliant! 445 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:21.870 Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant actor 446 00:17:21.870 --> 00:17:24.780 and perfect, so perfect in this role. 447 00:17:24.780 --> 00:17:25.680 Yeah. 448 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:27.240 He's the best guy. 449 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:31.083 He's just the coolest, funniest goofball. 450 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:33.450 He's so much fun, 451 00:17:33.450 --> 00:17:37.410 and he was so, so happy to be there every day 452 00:17:37.410 --> 00:17:39.390 'cause he's such a fan himself, already. 453 00:17:39.390 --> 00:17:40.223 [Wil] Oh, man. 454 00:17:40.223 --> 00:17:41.850 [Jeri] So he was just so excited 455 00:17:41.850 --> 00:17:44.220 and just, he's the best, 456 00:17:44.220 --> 00:17:46.263 we had the best time working together. 457 00:17:47.580 --> 00:17:48.630 So, there's that last moment, 458 00:17:48.630 --> 00:17:50.880 that beautiful moment where he acknowledges 459 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:53.070 you are Seven. - Yeah. 460 00:17:53.070 --> 00:17:54.220 You have the conn... 461 00:17:55.530 --> 00:17:56.460 Seven of Nine. 462 00:17:58.273 --> 00:18:00.900 [Wil] And she deserves that. 463 00:18:00.900 --> 00:18:02.700 And good for him, right? - Yeah. 464 00:18:02.700 --> 00:18:05.100 And then she sees how he really feels about her. 465 00:18:05.100 --> 00:18:07.863 Before, before we'd seen any of this yet. 466 00:18:07.863 --> 00:18:09.300 - Before any of that happened! - Yeah. 467 00:18:09.300 --> 00:18:10.560 [Wil] What does that do for her? 468 00:18:10.560 --> 00:18:12.329 How does that... 469 00:18:12.329 --> 00:18:14.910 She carries that into the command chair, I presume. 470 00:18:14.910 --> 00:18:16.260 [Jeri] Well, yeah, 471 00:18:16.260 --> 00:18:18.510 that is the moment for Seven 472 00:18:18.510 --> 00:18:19.650 when she realizes that, 473 00:18:19.650 --> 00:18:22.493 "Oh, I really, truly do belong here." 474 00:18:22.493 --> 00:18:23.790 [Wil] She clearly doesn't expect that. 475 00:18:23.790 --> 00:18:26.476 Oh, God, no, she wasn't expecting that at all. 476 00:18:26.476 --> 00:18:27.540 Not at all. 477 00:18:27.540 --> 00:18:28.980 So, I know as an actor 478 00:18:28.980 --> 00:18:31.410 that there's not a hologram playing in front of you. 479 00:18:31.410 --> 00:18:32.243 No. 480 00:18:32.243 --> 00:18:35.070 It's a script supervisor reading dialogue, right? 481 00:18:35.070 --> 00:18:36.870 No, they did record his first 482 00:18:36.870 --> 00:18:38.370 and they did show me the playback. 483 00:18:38.370 --> 00:18:40.254 [Wil] That's so great, that's so great. 484 00:18:40.254 --> 00:18:43.606 So, I didn't see it during while we were shooting it, 485 00:18:43.606 --> 00:18:45.240 but he did show it to me before. 486 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:46.350 [Wil] So you, Jeri, the actor, 487 00:18:46.350 --> 00:18:48.540 had the emotional sense memory of hearing that as a... 488 00:18:48.540 --> 00:18:49.400 - Yes. - Okay. 489 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:50.760 So, she's sitting at that table, 490 00:18:50.760 --> 00:18:53.560 and how great is it to be across the table from Tim. 491 00:18:53.560 --> 00:18:55.350 Oh, God, Tim, it was so fun to see him. 492 00:18:55.350 --> 00:18:57.180 [Wil] Yeah, I can only imagine. 493 00:18:57.180 --> 00:19:00.900 So, like, that closing of that circle 494 00:19:00.900 --> 00:19:05.900 with those two characters was deeply satisfying to me. 495 00:19:06.210 --> 00:19:08.013 Resignation denied... 496 00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:10.013 Captain. 497 00:19:11.280 --> 00:19:14.070 [Wil] I got to go up to set a year ago 498 00:19:14.070 --> 00:19:16.080 and walk around with Mike Okuda 499 00:19:16.080 --> 00:19:19.983 and it was a life changing experience for me. 500 00:19:23.100 --> 00:19:25.830 If I were in your seat, 501 00:19:25.830 --> 00:19:29.460 I would feel this much responsibility 502 00:19:29.460 --> 00:19:33.750 and all this terror about making sure that I got it right. 503 00:19:33.750 --> 00:19:35.964 And I'm sure he did. 504 00:19:35.964 --> 00:19:37.256 You summed it up. 505 00:19:37.256 --> 00:19:40.804 So, yeah, there wasn't nearly enough time 506 00:19:40.804 --> 00:19:42.570 and money to shoot it. 507 00:19:42.570 --> 00:19:45.750 I think we only had two days on the Enterprise-D. 508 00:19:45.750 --> 00:19:47.850 And we spent, I don't know, 509 00:19:47.850 --> 00:19:49.680 six months, building it. 510 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:52.740 So it was all that build up for two days. 511 00:19:52.740 --> 00:19:55.290 That's show business, kids, it's horrible. 512 00:19:55.290 --> 00:19:56.123 Worth it. 513 00:19:56.123 --> 00:19:58.920 And so, you're just jamming, you're going. 514 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:00.840 Number One, Mr. Worf, 515 00:20:00.840 --> 00:20:02.580 once aboard the cube, locate the beacon, 516 00:20:02.580 --> 00:20:05.610 and transmit its coordinates back to the Enterprise. 517 00:20:05.610 --> 00:20:06.480 Mr. La Forge- 518 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:07.842 Yes, sir! 519 00:20:10.980 --> 00:20:12.877 And so, everybody's like, 520 00:20:12.877 --> 00:20:17.040 "You got to direct that legendary cast, 521 00:20:17.040 --> 00:20:18.210 what was it like?" 522 00:20:18.210 --> 00:20:19.360 I'm like, I don't know- 523 00:20:21.596 --> 00:20:23.040 I'm mostly terrified, 524 00:20:23.040 --> 00:20:25.460 with tiny little moments of... 525 00:20:26.340 --> 00:20:28.170 There was one really exciting moment where, like, 526 00:20:28.170 --> 00:20:30.480 Frakes was reading the off-key direction, 527 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:31.470 shake and boom, 528 00:20:31.470 --> 00:20:33.060 and LeVar was Captain, 529 00:20:33.060 --> 00:20:34.800 and Brent was doing the thing, 530 00:20:34.800 --> 00:20:37.263 I was like, "This is really fun. 531 00:20:38.340 --> 00:20:40.770 I can't believe we're doing this." 532 00:20:40.770 --> 00:20:44.190 And it could not have been more authentic. 533 00:20:44.190 --> 00:20:45.360 I mean, with the Okudas, 534 00:20:45.360 --> 00:20:46.800 and everybody, 535 00:20:46.800 --> 00:20:49.620 and Dave Blass, and Liz, 536 00:20:49.620 --> 00:20:51.810 worked their heart out to make an authentic, 537 00:20:51.810 --> 00:20:55.500 I mean, the grain on the wood arch, 538 00:20:55.500 --> 00:20:57.990 they had to hand paint to make it as accurate as possible. 539 00:20:57.990 --> 00:20:59.487 Well, you were there. 540 00:20:59.487 --> 00:21:00.320 - I was there! - They talked you through it. 541 00:21:00.320 --> 00:21:01.317 [Wil] Yeah! 542 00:21:01.317 --> 00:21:02.280 It's extraordinary. 543 00:21:02.280 --> 00:21:04.680 Luckily, that set was saved. 544 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:05.910 So... 545 00:21:05.910 --> 00:21:07.320 I had a big Indiana Jones 546 00:21:07.320 --> 00:21:08.844 "It belong in a museum," moment. 547 00:21:08.844 --> 00:21:11.430 It belongs in a museum. 548 00:21:11.430 --> 00:21:13.740 It could not have been more perfect. 549 00:21:13.740 --> 00:21:16.893 It was incredible to be there. 550 00:21:18.540 --> 00:21:23.540 But no, I didn't get a lot of the nostalgia 551 00:21:23.610 --> 00:21:26.910 until the cut, 552 00:21:26.910 --> 00:21:28.590 when we put the score in, 553 00:21:28.590 --> 00:21:29.430 and I got to see it. 554 00:21:29.430 --> 00:21:32.760 Now, when I see it, I get feelings. 555 00:21:32.760 --> 00:21:33.660 Not on those days. 556 00:21:33.660 --> 00:21:36.391 You were too busy and too stressed and too, 557 00:21:36.391 --> 00:21:37.378 it was everything. 558 00:21:37.378 --> 00:21:38.211 She knows what it's like. 559 00:21:38.211 --> 00:21:39.690 - It was everything, yeah. - Yeah. 560 00:21:39.690 --> 00:21:41.700 After the credits, 561 00:21:41.700 --> 00:21:45.330 we have a post-credits sequence 562 00:21:45.330 --> 00:21:47.583 that I did not see coming at all. 563 00:21:48.750 --> 00:21:50.310 Something about it was, like, 564 00:21:50.310 --> 00:21:51.143 "I feel like there's gonna be a post-credits scene." 565 00:21:51.143 --> 00:21:52.920 I don't know why, I generally don't feel that way, 566 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:53.820 but I was like, "I feel like there's gonna be 567 00:21:53.820 --> 00:21:54.653 a post-credits scene." 568 00:21:54.653 --> 00:21:55.590 And then... 569 00:21:55.590 --> 00:21:56.433 Look at you. 570 00:21:57.840 --> 00:21:59.700 A chip off the old block. 571 00:21:59.700 --> 00:22:01.110 It's de Lancie. 572 00:22:01.110 --> 00:22:02.460 He looks great, by the way. 573 00:22:02.460 --> 00:22:03.390 - He's never looked better. - Always. 574 00:22:03.390 --> 00:22:04.961 [Wil] Wow! 575 00:22:04.961 --> 00:22:05.820 That costume is so cool! 576 00:22:05.820 --> 00:22:06.840 [Terry] It's the coolest costume. 577 00:22:06.840 --> 00:22:08.040 - [Wil] Right? - [Terry] Yeah. 578 00:22:08.040 --> 00:22:09.540 [Wil] But let's come back around to 579 00:22:09.540 --> 00:22:13.020 things coming back to where they began. 580 00:22:13.020 --> 00:22:15.270 There's this whole new thing 581 00:22:15.270 --> 00:22:18.420 and we don't know how timeless Q is 582 00:22:18.420 --> 00:22:21.600 and we don't know when... 583 00:22:21.600 --> 00:22:23.160 He's not a reliable narrator, 584 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:24.887 I guess you could say. 585 00:22:24.887 --> 00:22:27.420 And he kind of sets Jack up for, like, 586 00:22:27.420 --> 00:22:30.270 you've got some stuff coming up, buddy. 587 00:22:30.270 --> 00:22:32.790 Do you wanna talk about that at all? 588 00:22:32.790 --> 00:22:35.250 So at the end of "All Good Things," 589 00:22:35.250 --> 00:22:39.150 Patrick says that thing to John 590 00:22:39.150 --> 00:22:41.934 where he's like, "What is it you're trying to tell me?" 591 00:22:41.934 --> 00:22:44.017 And Q kind of leans in and he's like, 592 00:22:44.017 --> 00:22:45.420 "I'll let you find out." 593 00:22:45.420 --> 00:22:47.250 I always wondered what that might be. 594 00:22:47.250 --> 00:22:48.083 Yeah. 595 00:22:48.083 --> 00:22:49.560 I felt like this was part of it. 596 00:22:49.560 --> 00:22:51.930 But it's also going back to the beginning, right? 597 00:22:51.930 --> 00:22:53.850 Like, it starts with "Encounter At Farpoint", 598 00:22:53.850 --> 00:22:55.080 it starts with Q, 599 00:22:55.080 --> 00:22:56.760 it starts with Picard. 600 00:22:56.760 --> 00:22:58.800 It should end with Q, 601 00:22:58.800 --> 00:23:00.813 it should end with Picard's son. 602 00:23:02.580 --> 00:23:06.210 And it just felt like the greatest way 603 00:23:06.210 --> 00:23:08.490 to have a post-credits sequence. 604 00:23:08.490 --> 00:23:09.540 And John's so good. 605 00:23:09.540 --> 00:23:11.220 He's got, what, 30 seconds? 606 00:23:11.220 --> 00:23:13.470 And he brings goosebumps to you, 607 00:23:13.470 --> 00:23:14.583 he's phenomenal. 608 00:23:15.570 --> 00:23:16.980 Yeah, he Stashwicks that scene. 609 00:23:16.980 --> 00:23:19.637 Yeah, he Stashwicks the scene. 610 00:23:19.637 --> 00:23:20.470 I love that word. 611 00:23:20.470 --> 00:23:22.549 Turn that into- - Oh, my God! 612 00:23:22.549 --> 00:23:23.382 - That's hilarious. - That's the new thing. 613 00:23:23.382 --> 00:23:24.480 - Yeah, I mean, when I say that, 614 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:26.250 you know exactly what I'm talking about, right? 615 00:23:26.250 --> 00:23:29.850 Steals it like a thief in the night. 616 00:23:29.850 --> 00:23:30.683 So, 617 00:23:32.790 --> 00:23:34.143 this is my last question. 618 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.080 And this is an interesting experience for me- 619 00:23:37.080 --> 00:23:39.540 I'm gonna make it about me for a minute- 620 00:23:39.540 --> 00:23:41.220 I did not know how I was gonna feel 621 00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:42.330 when I got to this moment 622 00:23:42.330 --> 00:23:45.060 because the end of Picard is, in a way, 623 00:23:45.060 --> 00:23:48.750 kind of wraps up a lot of my family's timeline, 624 00:23:48.750 --> 00:23:53.750 it finishes a story that we started writing 35 years ago. 625 00:23:53.820 --> 00:23:56.340 It doesn't end the series, 626 00:23:56.340 --> 00:23:57.930 it just sort of closes the cover 627 00:23:57.930 --> 00:24:00.210 of that particular book, right? 628 00:24:00.210 --> 00:24:01.830 And I wasn't sure how I would feel 629 00:24:01.830 --> 00:24:03.660 putting that book back on the shelf. 630 00:24:03.660 --> 00:24:06.570 I fully expected to feel this tremendous sense of loss 631 00:24:06.570 --> 00:24:07.403 and grief, 632 00:24:07.403 --> 00:24:08.610 and I don't. 633 00:24:08.610 --> 00:24:11.820 Instead, I feel this incredible sense of celebration 634 00:24:11.820 --> 00:24:14.640 and love for everyone, 635 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:18.090 for everything that has happened this year, 636 00:24:18.090 --> 00:24:20.400 and in all the years in between. 637 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:23.040 I think a lot of that is the way you approached the story 638 00:24:23.040 --> 00:24:26.430 and giving everyone these beautiful wrap-ups 639 00:24:26.430 --> 00:24:30.150 that satisfy us over and over again 640 00:24:30.150 --> 00:24:32.370 with these characters that we love. 641 00:24:32.370 --> 00:24:34.590 We love them so much 642 00:24:34.590 --> 00:24:37.683 and, like, what you choose to do with them, 643 00:24:39.870 --> 00:24:41.700 it's not just what you do with them, 644 00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:44.520 it touches all of us in these really big ways. 645 00:24:44.520 --> 00:24:48.720 Seeing everyone get these gorgeous conclusions, 646 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.000 Data and Troi, it's so wonderful. 647 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.044 [Terry] That was Brent's idea, by the way. 648 00:24:53.044 --> 00:24:55.455 It's great, yeah, it's brilliant. 649 00:24:55.455 --> 00:24:56.288 [Wil] It's so good! 650 00:24:56.288 --> 00:24:57.211 It's beautiful. 651 00:24:57.211 --> 00:24:58.170 And Geordi and his family, 652 00:24:58.170 --> 00:25:01.023 and, I mean, just all of it, all of it's great. 653 00:25:03.930 --> 00:25:07.530 I want to ask if there's anything you wanted to do 654 00:25:07.530 --> 00:25:08.520 that you couldn't, 655 00:25:08.520 --> 00:25:13.520 and it doesn't feel to me like anything was left out. 656 00:25:14.070 --> 00:25:16.770 No, we got to do... 657 00:25:16.770 --> 00:25:19.770 We got to tell all those stories. 658 00:25:19.770 --> 00:25:21.940 Even in that final scene at the museum 659 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:27.540 with Riker and Picard and Geordi on the Enterprise, 660 00:25:27.540 --> 00:25:29.430 getting to give the Enterprise-D, 661 00:25:29.430 --> 00:25:30.960 with the lights turning off, 662 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:33.393 which is a proper series end- 663 00:25:33.393 --> 00:25:35.853 - That was beautiful. - you know, moment. 664 00:25:39.351 --> 00:25:43.050 The sendoff with the camera going in to Jeri, 665 00:25:43.050 --> 00:25:44.550 which is a promise of 666 00:25:44.550 --> 00:25:46.593 maybe we'll hear what that is one day, 667 00:25:47.760 --> 00:25:48.900 to the poker game 668 00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:50.370 and just the wish fulfillment, 669 00:25:50.370 --> 00:25:53.580 being with The Next Gen cast one last time, 670 00:25:53.580 --> 00:25:58.170 to hearing the full version of Jerry Goldsmith's theme. 671 00:25:58.170 --> 00:26:02.337 No, it kind of feels like we got away with murder. 672 00:26:03.396 --> 00:26:05.043 We did the last movie. 673 00:26:06.110 --> 00:26:08.010 I'm so happy to hear that you feel that way. 674 00:26:08.010 --> 00:26:11.025 I'm happy that it is satisfying for you as well. 675 00:26:11.025 --> 00:26:13.080 It is very satisfying. 676 00:26:13.080 --> 00:26:17.700 I hope it is for everyone else as well. 677 00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:20.013 But yeah, 678 00:26:21.183 --> 00:26:22.016 we hope so. 679 00:26:22.016 --> 00:26:22.860 But I knew this at the beginning. 680 00:26:22.860 --> 00:26:26.670 I knew this when we had our first meeting, 681 00:26:26.670 --> 00:26:28.410 like, the Zoom meeting with the cast 682 00:26:28.410 --> 00:26:30.240 at the beginning of the season, 683 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:31.810 and you talked to everybody 684 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:35.973 and I just knew, 685 00:26:37.530 --> 00:26:41.130 I knew the fan reaction was gonna be what it has been so far 686 00:26:41.130 --> 00:26:42.480 and I'm sure will continue to be 687 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.750 because, I mean, I sound like a broken record, 688 00:26:45.750 --> 00:26:47.430 but we could not have been in better hands. 689 00:26:47.430 --> 00:26:48.263 Yeah. 690 00:26:48.263 --> 00:26:49.110 Because I know you 691 00:26:49.110 --> 00:26:52.860 and I know how much you love these characters 692 00:26:52.860 --> 00:26:54.210 and love these stories 693 00:26:54.210 --> 00:26:55.380 and love this world 694 00:26:55.380 --> 00:26:57.000 and you're such a fan yourself 695 00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:59.883 and it's been such a part of your life and your career, 696 00:27:00.840 --> 00:27:04.350 that I knew that you would handle this so respectfully 697 00:27:04.350 --> 00:27:05.700 for all of these characters 698 00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:09.510 and there were no better hands to be in, 699 00:27:09.510 --> 00:27:10.890 to tell the story. 700 00:27:10.890 --> 00:27:12.300 So, there. 701 00:27:12.300 --> 00:27:14.250 Coming from the both of you, 702 00:27:14.250 --> 00:27:16.020 I can't even tell you what that means to me, 703 00:27:16.020 --> 00:27:16.893 so thank you. 704 00:27:17.809 --> 00:27:19.050 It's true. 705 00:27:19.050 --> 00:27:21.300 As a lifelong Star Trek fan, 706 00:27:21.300 --> 00:27:23.400 as the guy who played Wesley Crusher, 707 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:27.570 and as the person who has the unbelievable privilege 708 00:27:27.570 --> 00:27:30.840 of having the most incredible people on this couch 709 00:27:30.840 --> 00:27:32.880 because of this show, 710 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:34.256 thank you. 711 00:27:34.256 --> 00:27:35.089 Aw. 712 00:27:36.510 --> 00:27:41.510 Okay, we can't make me cry in front of all these people. 713 00:27:41.737 --> 00:27:44.196 Thank you, I appreciate that, thank you very much. 714 00:28:05.700 --> 00:28:08.610 The music in this season of Star Trek: Picard 715 00:28:08.610 --> 00:28:12.030 pays tribute to Trek's incredible musical legacy, 716 00:28:12.030 --> 00:28:15.090 drawing inspiration from several series and movies. 717 00:28:15.090 --> 00:28:16.170 To find out more about 718 00:28:16.170 --> 00:28:18.930 what made this final season soundtrack so special, 719 00:28:18.930 --> 00:28:21.810 we joined Executive Producer and Showrunner Terry Matalas 720 00:28:21.810 --> 00:28:24.600 as well as composer Stephen Barton and Frederik Wiedmann 721 00:28:24.600 --> 00:28:27.720 for a scoring session ahead of this week's finale. 722 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:28.553 Take a look. 723 00:28:31.350 --> 00:28:32.670 [Terry] Season 3 of Picard 724 00:28:32.670 --> 00:28:35.640 is very different than Seasons 1 and 2 725 00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:37.110 just by the fact that it's 726 00:28:37.110 --> 00:28:39.900 a Star Trek: The Next Generation reunion. 727 00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:44.900 And so, that kind of demanded a bigger, larger orchestra, 728 00:28:45.210 --> 00:28:47.013 bigger cinematic sound. 729 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:52.953 [Stephen] So today, 730 00:28:52.953 --> 00:28:54.750 we're at Warner Brothers doing a scoring session. 731 00:28:54.750 --> 00:28:56.550 What we do is we get everything written, 732 00:28:56.550 --> 00:28:57.383 scored out, 733 00:28:57.383 --> 00:28:58.950 and then they will come in here today, 734 00:28:58.950 --> 00:29:00.930 they have not seen a single note. 735 00:29:00.930 --> 00:29:02.280 Obviously, because it's Star Trek, 736 00:29:02.280 --> 00:29:04.530 there are some tunes they're pretty familiar with, 737 00:29:04.530 --> 00:29:05.670 but they haven't seen the notes, 738 00:29:05.670 --> 00:29:07.920 so they walk in and literally the first take 739 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:09.840 is pretty much, you know, usable 740 00:29:09.840 --> 00:29:12.120 and then the second take is perfect. 741 00:29:12.120 --> 00:29:12.960 [Terry] We knew right away 742 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.120 that there were several Star Trek themes 743 00:29:15.120 --> 00:29:16.800 we had to bring back and honor. 744 00:29:16.800 --> 00:29:18.450 We also wanted to earn these themes, 745 00:29:18.450 --> 00:29:20.250 it wasn't just bring them back just to, 746 00:29:20.250 --> 00:29:21.480 "Hey, wasn't that cool?" 747 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:26.220 So, that we wanted to tie them into the plot, 748 00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:27.300 make it emotional, 749 00:29:27.300 --> 00:29:31.716 and make it a love letter to Star Trek in general. 750 00:29:42.990 --> 00:29:44.070 I think the biggest emotion 751 00:29:44.070 --> 00:29:45.540 that we're really trying to evoke 752 00:29:45.540 --> 00:29:46.950 is a mixture of tension 753 00:29:46.950 --> 00:29:48.807 but then also this idea of family 754 00:29:48.807 --> 00:29:49.980 and that was one of the things 755 00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:51.930 I think Terry and I chatted very early on about 756 00:29:51.930 --> 00:29:53.640 was that we needed a thematic element, 757 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.050 we needed a family theme. 758 00:29:55.050 --> 00:29:56.430 There's a kind of interesting juxtaposition 759 00:29:56.430 --> 00:29:57.630 where the Star Trek thing of, like, 760 00:29:57.630 --> 00:30:00.630 there's a crew and a ship that are a sort of family, 761 00:30:00.630 --> 00:30:02.490 but then what about real family? 762 00:30:02.490 --> 00:30:05.010 You know, do those things come into conflict? 763 00:30:05.010 --> 00:30:08.093 And then which comes above the other? 764 00:30:13.425 --> 00:30:16.380 I think when we came to score Season 3 of Picard, 765 00:30:16.380 --> 00:30:19.570 we wanted to sort of pay a homage to 766 00:30:20.580 --> 00:30:24.360 the entire canon of music that's been done for Star Trek. 767 00:30:24.360 --> 00:30:26.827 This season needed to be the last 768 00:30:26.827 --> 00:30:28.380 Star Trek: The Next Generation movie, 769 00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:29.850 which means you needed Jerry Goldsmith, 770 00:30:29.850 --> 00:30:31.140 which means you needed that sound. 771 00:30:31.140 --> 00:30:32.280 And along the way, 772 00:30:32.280 --> 00:30:35.760 it's impossible to ignore the others that came along too, 773 00:30:35.760 --> 00:30:37.920 James Horner, Dennis McCarthy, 774 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.860 all these incredible artists that added so much, 775 00:30:40.860 --> 00:30:42.795 we wanted to bring that back in one 776 00:30:42.795 --> 00:30:43.800 and bring those feelings back 777 00:30:43.800 --> 00:30:46.150 and let the fans experience that one more time. 778 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.490 I think the thing we realized quite early on 779 00:30:50.490 --> 00:30:54.150 was there was just an insane quantity of music needed. 780 00:30:54.150 --> 00:30:56.700 Oh my God, that's a lot of music. 781 00:30:56.700 --> 00:31:00.450 So we found this incredible young composer, 782 00:31:00.450 --> 00:31:01.440 Frederik Wiedmann, 783 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:06.030 we were using his music for a movie he did in our temp score 784 00:31:06.030 --> 00:31:07.417 and it was so good and I was like, 785 00:31:07.417 --> 00:31:09.720 "Why don't we reach out to him 786 00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:11.820 to see if he could help us?" 787 00:31:11.820 --> 00:31:13.980 [Frederik] I came in at Episode 7. 788 00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:15.300 Stephen Barton, the other composer, 789 00:31:15.300 --> 00:31:18.630 had already scored all of the first six episodes 790 00:31:18.630 --> 00:31:21.990 and basically set up this musical world for Season 3. 791 00:31:21.990 --> 00:31:25.200 So, my job was more adjusting to 792 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:26.760 what he had created and set up 793 00:31:26.760 --> 00:31:28.470 and continuing that musical journey 794 00:31:28.470 --> 00:31:30.960 that he's basically prepared for all of us. 795 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.270 The scene where I felt the most pressure as a composer 796 00:31:33.270 --> 00:31:34.590 to write the score for, 797 00:31:34.590 --> 00:31:36.900 the entire crew of the Enterprise 798 00:31:36.900 --> 00:31:38.580 enter the old ship once again, 799 00:31:38.580 --> 00:31:39.930 which is now in a museum, 800 00:31:39.930 --> 00:31:41.640 and they're standing on this bridge 801 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:46.020 that they have spent the entire Next Generation series on. 802 00:31:46.020 --> 00:31:47.720 It's such an amazing moment, 803 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.070 I mean, the way they recreated the Enterprise 804 00:31:50.070 --> 00:31:52.953 to the smallest detail is just so beautifully done. 805 00:31:58.084 --> 00:31:59.550 You know, it's interesting where, you know, 806 00:31:59.550 --> 00:32:02.130 it's a show that's named after the main character 807 00:32:02.130 --> 00:32:04.170 and how it then sort of ties into 808 00:32:04.170 --> 00:32:07.110 both being a story about him personally, 809 00:32:07.110 --> 00:32:09.990 but then also we have so many threads 810 00:32:09.990 --> 00:32:12.423 and all the family that he's come to know. 811 00:32:15.090 --> 00:32:16.980 [Terry] As the Director and Showrunner 812 00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:18.510 of the last season 813 00:32:18.510 --> 00:32:20.280 of essentially Star Trek: The Next Generation, 814 00:32:20.280 --> 00:32:22.590 it was incredible to be on the bridge of the Enterprise 815 00:32:22.590 --> 00:32:24.960 and direct this crew, 816 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.303 but it is nothing like being here. 817 00:32:29.220 --> 00:32:31.564 Most things that you like music for 818 00:32:31.564 --> 00:32:32.640 are always open-ended, 819 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.612 it's very rare that someone says to you, 820 00:32:34.612 --> 00:32:36.210 "This is it, there is going to be no more." 821 00:32:36.210 --> 00:32:38.160 That's actually very sort of liberating in a way 822 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.980 because it allows you to sort of tie up ideas 823 00:32:40.980 --> 00:32:42.990 and push towards a sort of climax 824 00:32:42.990 --> 00:32:45.573 that you know is a real climax. 825 00:32:46.470 --> 00:32:48.350 [Terry] Being in a scoring session like this 826 00:32:48.350 --> 00:32:51.330 is what I have always wanted to do, 827 00:32:51.330 --> 00:32:55.920 leave behind all the work of writing, showrunning, directing 828 00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:59.460 and you just are there and it's pure movie magic. 829 00:32:59.460 --> 00:33:02.220 When you're watching this orchestra, 830 00:33:02.220 --> 00:33:06.387 it's impossible not to get caught up in the music. 831 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.810 As always, I am so grateful to have been able to share 832 00:33:45.810 --> 00:33:47.610 this time in The Ready Room with you. 833 00:33:47.610 --> 00:33:49.650 This season of Star Trek: Picard, 834 00:33:49.650 --> 00:33:52.200 especially the last two episodes, 835 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.800 has been immensely personally meaningful for me 836 00:33:55.800 --> 00:33:57.510 and it has been such a privilege 837 00:33:57.510 --> 00:34:00.690 to share what that means to me with all of you. 838 00:34:00.690 --> 00:34:01.523 Thank you. 839 00:34:05.760 --> 00:34:07.110 Computer. 840 00:34:07.110 --> 00:34:09.453 Initiate shutdown sequence. 841 00:34:10.500 --> 00:34:12.810 [Computer] Shutdown procedure initiated. 842 00:34:12.810 --> 00:34:14.700 I miss that voice. 843 00:34:14.700 --> 00:34:16.050 I'll be back here soon, 844 00:34:16.050 --> 00:34:17.490 where I look forward to returning 845 00:34:17.490 --> 00:34:19.050 to the 23rd century with you 846 00:34:19.050 --> 00:34:22.200 as we explore Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' 847 00:34:22.200 --> 00:34:24.540 Season 2 premiere. 848 00:34:24.540 --> 00:34:26.790 Until then, I'm Wil Wheaton. 849 00:34:26.790 --> 00:34:28.623 Live long and prosper.