WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.041 --> 00:00:01.960 We're halfway through Lower Decks Season 3 2 00:00:01.960 --> 00:00:03.378 and what a ride it's been so far. 3 00:00:03.378 --> 00:00:06.131 This week, I've got Ensign Beckett Mariner herself. 4 00:00:06.131 --> 00:00:07.757 The fabulously talented Tawny Newsome 5 00:00:07.757 --> 00:00:10.385 joining me to talk about the wild first half of the season. 6 00:00:10.385 --> 00:00:12.220 Plus, Rutherford's evil side emerging 7 00:00:12.220 --> 00:00:13.722 has inspired us here to look at other 8 00:00:13.722 --> 00:00:16.099 sinister versions of Star Trek characters. 9 00:00:16.099 --> 00:00:17.934 So strap yourself into the Delta Flyer 10 00:00:17.934 --> 00:00:19.144 and get down with your bad self 11 00:00:19.144 --> 00:00:21.980 to an all new installment of The Ready Room. 12 00:00:29.029 --> 00:00:31.114 Hey nerds, I'm Wil Wheaton and this is The Ready Room, 13 00:00:31.114 --> 00:00:32.991 your official behind the scenes hub 14 00:00:32.991 --> 00:00:34.951 for all things Star Trek Universe. 15 00:00:34.951 --> 00:00:38.246 Star Trek: Lower Decks Season 3 has been great so far. 16 00:00:38.246 --> 00:00:39.539 And I am beyond excited 17 00:00:39.539 --> 00:00:42.625 to dig into the exhilarating and hilarious escapades 18 00:00:42.625 --> 00:00:44.961 of the season's first five episodes. 19 00:00:44.961 --> 00:00:46.671 Especially this week's adventure, 20 00:00:46.671 --> 00:00:49.007 Episode 5, "Reflections." 21 00:00:49.007 --> 00:00:51.926 But first, since we'll definitely be recovering memories 22 00:00:51.926 --> 00:00:54.554 that are deeply embedded in spoiler territory, 23 00:00:54.554 --> 00:00:58.224 I have to call for a red alert! 24 00:00:58.224 --> 00:00:59.059 If you haven't watched 25 00:00:59.059 --> 00:01:00.351 the first five episodes of Season 3, 26 00:01:00.351 --> 00:01:01.770 you're gonna wanna run to your new penthouse quarters, 27 00:01:01.770 --> 00:01:06.232 stream them first and then report for duty to The Ready Room 28 00:01:06.232 --> 00:01:08.651 where we will be waiting for you. 29 00:01:08.651 --> 00:01:10.278 So far this season, 30 00:01:10.278 --> 00:01:12.363 we've seen the Lower Deckers face down rock monsters, 31 00:01:12.363 --> 00:01:14.532 battle Delta Shift for better quarters, 32 00:01:14.532 --> 00:01:16.785 and even team up in a race 33 00:01:16.785 --> 00:01:19.662 against Rutherford's evil memory twin. 34 00:01:19.662 --> 00:01:22.540 I am so excited to have Tawny Newsome on hand 35 00:01:22.540 --> 00:01:25.376 for the first time in person in The Ready Room 36 00:01:25.376 --> 00:01:27.128 to break it all down. 37 00:01:27.128 --> 00:01:28.254 And speaking of breaking it all down, 38 00:01:28.254 --> 00:01:30.757 when we last met together in The Ready Room 39 00:01:30.757 --> 00:01:32.926 one of Lower Deck's brilliant artists, 40 00:01:32.926 --> 00:01:35.929 Marisa Livingston showed us the step-by-step process 41 00:01:35.929 --> 00:01:36.721 of how to draw the U.S.S. Cerritos' 42 00:01:36.721 --> 00:01:39.307 cantankerous Doctor T'Ana. 43 00:01:39.307 --> 00:01:41.226 That was so much fun 44 00:01:41.226 --> 00:01:42.685 that it made me want to add another one 45 00:01:42.685 --> 00:01:45.063 to my ever growing collection 46 00:01:45.063 --> 00:01:46.815 of hand-drawn Cerritos crew members. 47 00:01:46.815 --> 00:01:48.900 So, later we'll be getting a lesson 48 00:01:48.900 --> 00:01:52.904 from yet another of Lower Decks' talented animators. 49 00:01:52.904 --> 00:01:54.739 Speaking of evil memory twins, 50 00:01:54.739 --> 00:01:57.784 "Reflections" inspired us here at The Ready Room 51 00:01:57.784 --> 00:02:00.620 to look through a mirror darkly. 52 00:02:00.620 --> 00:02:02.914 Whatever, man, I don't take orders from a reflection. 53 00:02:02.914 --> 00:02:04.791 So we'll be reflecting 54 00:02:04.791 --> 00:02:06.543 on some of Star Trek's most devious, 55 00:02:06.543 --> 00:02:09.462 duplicates, doubles, and doppelgängers. 56 00:02:09.462 --> 00:02:11.214 Control room, engage. 57 00:02:13.174 --> 00:02:14.843 Holy moly. 58 00:02:14.843 --> 00:02:15.969 What the heck is happening here? 59 00:02:15.969 --> 00:02:18.555 Hey, you. Give back control of my body. 60 00:02:18.555 --> 00:02:20.098 Hey, what is this thing on my face? 61 00:02:20.098 --> 00:02:21.224 It's my face. 62 00:02:21.224 --> 00:02:22.642 Fine, fine, fine, don't answer. 63 00:02:22.642 --> 00:02:23.476 I don't need you. 64 00:02:23.476 --> 00:02:25.645 Hey, hey. Get back here. 65 00:02:25.645 --> 00:02:30.650 I loved playing Red Rutherford, bad Rutherford, 66 00:02:30.650 --> 00:02:32.652 however you want to call him. 67 00:02:32.652 --> 00:02:36.656 The fact that I got to do evil version of myself, 68 00:02:36.656 --> 00:02:41.161 it felt so Start Trek to me. 69 00:02:49.836 --> 00:02:51.254 We have here an unusual opportunity 70 00:02:51.254 --> 00:02:55.175 to appraise the human mind or to examine, in Earth terms, 71 00:02:55.175 --> 00:02:57.927 the roles of good and evil in a man. 72 00:03:07.687 --> 00:03:10.481 Not our universe, not our ship. 73 00:03:10.481 --> 00:03:13.610 Something parallel. 74 00:03:13.610 --> 00:03:15.695 The reason there are two number five shuttlecrafts 75 00:03:15.695 --> 00:03:18.823 is because one of them is from the future. 76 00:03:18.823 --> 00:03:20.575 Six hours, to be exact. 77 00:03:20.575 --> 00:03:23.870 And so, presumably, is the facsimile of me. 78 00:03:23.870 --> 00:03:24.704 [Intercom] Captain? 79 00:03:24.704 --> 00:03:25.538 Yes. 80 00:03:25.538 --> 00:03:26.372 [Intercom] We're about to lose warp drive. 81 00:03:26.372 --> 00:03:27.373 - Understood. - Understood. 82 00:03:31.544 --> 00:03:34.881 You are me, aren't you? 83 00:03:34.881 --> 00:03:36.966 I'm Kira Nerys. 84 00:03:36.966 --> 00:03:38.801 That makes two of us. 85 00:03:40.345 --> 00:03:42.972 Will someone please get me out of here? 86 00:03:51.314 --> 00:03:52.357 The attempt merge our ships 87 00:03:52.357 --> 00:03:53.816 is throwing us further out of phase. 88 00:03:53.816 --> 00:03:56.903 The quantum cohesion on both Voyagers is breaking down. 89 00:03:56.903 --> 00:03:59.822 Just like the original Kent State Experiment. 90 00:03:59.822 --> 00:04:02.033 The duplicate atoms couldn't occupy 91 00:04:02.033 --> 00:04:04.285 the same point in space-time for very long before... 92 00:04:04.285 --> 00:04:05.995 Mutual annihilation. 93 00:04:05.995 --> 00:04:10.416 Boarding the I.S.S. Shenzhou, posing as your Terran selves? 94 00:04:10.416 --> 00:04:13.002 That plan is an invitation for calamity. 95 00:04:14.671 --> 00:04:19.676 Captain Michael Burnham, we have sentenced you to death. 96 00:04:20.260 --> 00:04:24.639 I totally had you for a second there, you can't deny it. 97 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:25.515 You should have seen your face. 98 00:04:25.515 --> 00:04:28.518 I mean our face. 99 00:04:28.518 --> 00:04:30.520 You tried to erase all the memories that made us cool, 100 00:04:30.520 --> 00:04:31.688 but it didn't work. 101 00:04:31.688 --> 00:04:33.189 The brain is more complicated than that 102 00:04:33.189 --> 00:04:35.525 and it kept my cool ass stored away. 103 00:04:35.525 --> 00:04:37.735 So blam, here I am baby. 104 00:04:37.735 --> 00:04:42.240 With evil, or Red Rutherford, I freaked out 105 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:45.994 'cause I was hoping that I could find the right way 106 00:04:45.994 --> 00:04:47.537 that I wanted to play him. 107 00:04:47.537 --> 00:04:49.414 Shouldn't the best engineer get to take control? 108 00:04:49.414 --> 00:04:50.373 Yes, great idea. 109 00:04:50.373 --> 00:04:52.292 Let's take an engineering test. 110 00:04:52.292 --> 00:04:53.251 Nah, man tests are dumb. 111 00:04:53.251 --> 00:04:57.171 It's almost easier because Rutherford is so upbeat 112 00:04:57.171 --> 00:04:59.257 and so nice that as soon as you put 113 00:04:59.257 --> 00:05:01.592 even a hint of anger in him 114 00:05:01.592 --> 00:05:04.512 you're like, "Whoa, this is a different guy." 115 00:05:04.512 --> 00:05:05.847 Man, you really bought into that 116 00:05:05.847 --> 00:05:07.557 whole okie dokie bull [bleep], didn't you? 117 00:05:07.557 --> 00:05:11.311 I'm happy that I got to go so far with him. 118 00:05:12.395 --> 00:05:16.065 And even give him a little bit more, I guess, street cred 119 00:05:16.065 --> 00:05:18.192 in the way that he likes to race 120 00:05:18.192 --> 00:05:22.697 and he likes to do the bad boy things. 121 00:05:22.697 --> 00:05:25.491 Punch it, baby punch it. Woo! 122 00:05:25.491 --> 00:05:30.455 I think Rutherford admires the brash, straightforward, 123 00:05:30.455 --> 00:05:34.250 I'm gonna do this mentality 124 00:05:34.250 --> 00:05:39.255 without asking any questions or needing the approval. 125 00:05:39.380 --> 00:05:42.967 Initially, I think he loves that. 126 00:05:42.967 --> 00:05:45.553 And then, I think on the opposite end, 127 00:05:45.553 --> 00:05:50.516 evil Rutherford likes that Rutherford has friends. 128 00:05:52.101 --> 00:05:53.519 We've got this. 129 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:55.146 [Red Rutherford] Wait, hold up, who's that? 130 00:05:55.146 --> 00:05:56.731 We used our imagination to make anything we wanted 131 00:05:56.731 --> 00:05:59.150 and I wasn't gonna race without my friends. 132 00:05:59.150 --> 00:06:00.651 Real Rutherford is, I think, 133 00:06:00.651 --> 00:06:03.613 also more fun to do all the time. 134 00:06:03.613 --> 00:06:06.240 I think I would, like, be mad at myself a lot more 135 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.993 if I did Red Rutherford all the time. 136 00:06:08.993 --> 00:06:12.288 Rutherford are, are you? 137 00:06:12.288 --> 00:06:14.207 Yeah, I'm okie dokie. 138 00:06:19.462 --> 00:06:21.714 Well, I'm thrilled to be talking to Tawny Newsome 139 00:06:21.714 --> 00:06:25.093 in The Ready Room, in person for the very first time. 140 00:06:25.093 --> 00:06:27.678 Tawny, of course, plays Beckett Mariner. 141 00:06:27.678 --> 00:06:29.305 Thank you so much for being here today. 142 00:06:29.305 --> 00:06:30.139 Thank you. 143 00:06:30.139 --> 00:06:32.392 I'm very happy to be physically in The Ready Room. 144 00:06:32.392 --> 00:06:34.394 I feel like I've been forced to be ready 145 00:06:34.394 --> 00:06:36.854 in my own rooms in my home. 146 00:06:36.854 --> 00:06:38.856 When we've been talking and that has not been as fun 147 00:06:38.856 --> 00:06:40.108 as being in the space. 148 00:06:40.108 --> 00:06:41.317 So, thank you. 149 00:06:41.317 --> 00:06:42.819 It sounds like you were getting ready for The Ready Room. 150 00:06:42.819 --> 00:06:44.028 I was, yeah. 151 00:06:44.028 --> 00:06:46.322 You don't have to get ready for The Ready Room 152 00:06:46.322 --> 00:06:47.698 when you stay ready for The Ready Room. 153 00:06:47.698 --> 00:06:48.908 That is absolutely true. 154 00:06:48.908 --> 00:06:50.076 And I'm glad you get it. 155 00:06:50.076 --> 00:06:50.952 Thank you. 156 00:06:50.952 --> 00:06:53.996 We are halfway through the third season of Lower Decks. 157 00:06:53.996 --> 00:06:58.042 And every time I watch an episode of Lower Decks I'm like, 158 00:06:58.042 --> 00:06:59.293 "Oh, this is my favorite episode." 159 00:06:59.293 --> 00:07:00.837 "Oh no, this is my favorite episode." 160 00:07:00.837 --> 00:07:01.963 "Oh no, this is." 161 00:07:01.963 --> 00:07:02.880 - Thank you. 162 00:07:02.880 --> 00:07:04.132 - It just keeps happening over and over again. 163 00:07:04.132 --> 00:07:05.091 I mean, me too, fair. 164 00:07:05.091 --> 00:07:06.801 Because also I forget what happened. 165 00:07:06.801 --> 00:07:09.512 So I'm like, "What? We did that? This is great." 166 00:07:09.512 --> 00:07:11.222 Do you wanna call out some moments from the season? 167 00:07:11.222 --> 00:07:12.056 - Oh my God. 168 00:07:12.056 --> 00:07:12.890 - So far that you've enjoyed? 169 00:07:12.890 --> 00:07:13.724 - Yes. 170 00:07:13.724 --> 00:07:18.521 So I love when they're all trying to get their new room. 171 00:07:18.521 --> 00:07:20.815 Whoa, that was fun, 172 00:07:20.815 --> 00:07:22.984 And just go on this little adventure on the ship. 173 00:07:22.984 --> 00:07:26.487 [Wil] I love the teamwork. It's so wholesome. 174 00:07:26.487 --> 00:07:28.739 Do you know what Mike McMahan calls that episode? 175 00:07:28.739 --> 00:07:29.657 What does he call that episode? 176 00:07:29.657 --> 00:07:30.700 I don't know if this is sanctioned, 177 00:07:30.700 --> 00:07:31.659 you may have to cut this, 178 00:07:31.659 --> 00:07:33.244 but he calls it the Stand By Me episode. 179 00:07:33.244 --> 00:07:35.163 Isn't that cute? 180 00:07:35.163 --> 00:07:37.415 Oh my God, I didn't know that. 181 00:07:37.415 --> 00:07:38.332 I thought you'd like to know that. 182 00:07:38.332 --> 00:07:39.584 - I'm gonna have to go watch it again 183 00:07:39.584 --> 00:07:40.960 and figure out which one is me. 184 00:07:40.960 --> 00:07:41.794 - Yeah. 185 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:44.839 I feel like you're a Tendi? 186 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:45.673 I don't know. 187 00:07:45.673 --> 00:07:47.717 - That's pretty great. 188 00:07:47.717 --> 00:07:49.051 - Right? You're a sweetie. 189 00:07:49.051 --> 00:07:50.011 - 'Cause I just love her. 190 00:07:50.011 --> 00:07:50.845 - She's a sweetie. 191 00:07:50.845 --> 00:07:52.305 - Yeah, she's terrific. 192 00:07:52.305 --> 00:07:53.598 Yeah, you're not a Mariner. 193 00:07:53.598 --> 00:07:54.432 Absolutely not. 194 00:07:54.432 --> 00:07:56.100 Listen, I want to be be. 195 00:07:56.100 --> 00:07:56.934 Do you? 196 00:07:56.934 --> 00:07:58.060 It's a lot of chaos. 197 00:07:58.060 --> 00:08:00.855 I know, but Mariner knows exactly who she is. 198 00:08:00.855 --> 00:08:01.772 - That's true. 199 00:08:01.772 --> 00:08:04.233 - She knows exactly who she is, exactly where she's going, 200 00:08:04.233 --> 00:08:05.693 exactly what she wants. 201 00:08:05.693 --> 00:08:06.527 - Yeah. 202 00:08:06.527 --> 00:08:10.072 There's some Wesley in her in that sort of, 203 00:08:10.072 --> 00:08:12.283 "Nah, I'm doing this thing that's for me." 204 00:08:12.283 --> 00:08:14.785 Yeah. They kind of both have a preacher kid energy. 205 00:08:14.785 --> 00:08:16.370 Yeah, a lot of expectations. 206 00:08:16.370 --> 00:08:18.831 Real high-powered parents, right? 207 00:08:18.831 --> 00:08:19.916 Too much pressure. 208 00:08:19.916 --> 00:08:20.750 Yeah. 209 00:08:20.750 --> 00:08:22.627 But Mariner just so much cooler 210 00:08:22.627 --> 00:08:24.629 than Wesley could ever hope to be. 211 00:08:24.629 --> 00:08:26.589 Let's talk about Mariner and Boimler. 212 00:08:26.589 --> 00:08:29.634 I absolutely love their relationship. 213 00:08:29.634 --> 00:08:32.011 They are absolutely best friends. 214 00:08:32.011 --> 00:08:35.640 In that terrific sibling rivalry, energy. 215 00:08:35.640 --> 00:08:36.807 Yeah. 216 00:08:36.807 --> 00:08:40.728 And that best platonic friends who love each other 217 00:08:40.728 --> 00:08:42.188 kind of energy. 218 00:08:42.188 --> 00:08:44.524 I know it's not super exciting but it's our assignment. 219 00:08:44.524 --> 00:08:45.358 What are you gonna do? 220 00:08:45.358 --> 00:08:47.610 Complain the whole time and make it twice as miserable? 221 00:08:47.610 --> 00:08:49.570 Ah, that is your specialty. 222 00:08:49.570 --> 00:08:51.030 We also see that a little bit 223 00:08:51.030 --> 00:08:52.281 between Tendi and Rutherford. 224 00:08:52.281 --> 00:08:56.160 I have loved watching their relationship grow and change. 225 00:08:56.160 --> 00:09:01.165 So, here's the question, who has the better best friend 226 00:09:01.374 --> 00:09:05.962 among the four that I've just described? 227 00:09:07.088 --> 00:09:09.507 I mean, I have to say Boimler has the better best friend 228 00:09:09.507 --> 00:09:11.676 because I'm great and therefore Mariner's great. 229 00:09:11.676 --> 00:09:12.510 I knew that was the answer. 230 00:09:12.510 --> 00:09:13.469 That is the right answer. 231 00:09:13.469 --> 00:09:16.055 That's the very Mariner answer. 232 00:09:16.055 --> 00:09:18.849 I think Tendi is the one of our most, 233 00:09:18.849 --> 00:09:19.725 like, loyal characters. 234 00:09:19.725 --> 00:09:21.811 So, I think as a best friend, in the best friend department, 235 00:09:21.811 --> 00:09:24.021 that's who I want by my side. 236 00:09:24.021 --> 00:09:26.899 In my real life I want a Tendi. 237 00:09:26.899 --> 00:09:30.486 But Boimler, I have a lot of friends like Boimler. 238 00:09:30.486 --> 00:09:32.113 I have a lot of those in my life. 239 00:09:32.113 --> 00:09:35.283 I have a lot of people who are kind of a little type A, 240 00:09:35.283 --> 00:09:36.867 a little tightly wound. 241 00:09:36.867 --> 00:09:38.119 But then when they do let loose you're just like, 242 00:09:38.119 --> 00:09:40.621 "Ah, this is great." 243 00:09:40.621 --> 00:09:43.165 And I think they can be a really great compliment 244 00:09:43.165 --> 00:09:46.168 to people who are a little bit larger than life. 245 00:09:46.168 --> 00:09:48.170 Like I've been accused of being. 246 00:09:48.170 --> 00:09:52.717 As far as you're concerned, Mariner, I'm your mama, now. 247 00:09:52.717 --> 00:09:54.218 In Episode 1, 248 00:09:54.218 --> 00:09:58.931 Ransom says that he's gonna be Mariner's mama, now. 249 00:09:58.931 --> 00:10:00.057 I don't like it. 250 00:10:00.057 --> 00:10:02.560 I don't even like you repeating it. 251 00:10:02.560 --> 00:10:04.937 - It's so uncomfortable and weird, but it's so funny. 252 00:10:04.937 --> 00:10:07.315 - It's so weird. It's so creepy. 253 00:10:07.315 --> 00:10:08.649 Oh, tell me what it's like 254 00:10:08.649 --> 00:10:12.236 to just really be under the chin 255 00:10:12.236 --> 00:10:14.238 of Jack Ransom all season long. 256 00:10:14.238 --> 00:10:16.824 Is this a mission briefing or a standup routine? 257 00:10:16.824 --> 00:10:18.909 Joking aside, I think it's a really funny 258 00:10:18.909 --> 00:10:21.829 and well-written arc for both of them. 259 00:10:21.829 --> 00:10:22.872 I agree. 260 00:10:22.872 --> 00:10:24.999 I think it's perfect because that, 261 00:10:24.999 --> 00:10:29.003 what you just pointed out is so gross and weird 262 00:10:29.003 --> 00:10:30.546 and, like, "Ugh, get off me, man." 263 00:10:30.546 --> 00:10:33.633 But then where they take it and the mutual respect 264 00:10:33.633 --> 00:10:35.468 they're able to develop for each other. 265 00:10:35.468 --> 00:10:38.137 Again, I just feel like I know these characters. 266 00:10:38.137 --> 00:10:40.056 I have these people in real life who you're like, 267 00:10:40.056 --> 00:10:41.557 "I don't wanna be dealing with you." 268 00:10:41.557 --> 00:10:42.558 And then after a while you're like, 269 00:10:42.558 --> 00:10:45.102 "Wait, you're kind of genius at the things you do. 270 00:10:45.102 --> 00:10:45.936 And now you're appreciating me 271 00:10:45.936 --> 00:10:48.147 and I can learn some things from you." 272 00:10:48.147 --> 00:10:50.274 So it's really unexpected and smart 273 00:10:50.274 --> 00:10:52.485 for our little 22-minute cartoon. 274 00:10:52.485 --> 00:10:56.238 There's this incredible overwhelming desire in me 275 00:10:56.238 --> 00:10:58.240 to exist in the Lower Decks universe 276 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.660 and have Shaxs be like, "You're in the bear pack." 277 00:11:00.660 --> 00:11:01.827 Oh yeah. 278 00:11:01.827 --> 00:11:03.996 Right? So that kind of like, "Yeah, you're in," 279 00:11:03.996 --> 00:11:05.206 kind of moment. 280 00:11:05.206 --> 00:11:07.541 Is there a you're in moment with Ransom? 281 00:11:07.541 --> 00:11:11.253 Is there a thing that Ransom would ever do 282 00:11:11.253 --> 00:11:13.923 where you would feel like it's really been worth 283 00:11:13.923 --> 00:11:17.301 being under your chin for all of this time. 284 00:11:17.301 --> 00:11:20.262 There is a moment in the series where she kind of says, 285 00:11:20.262 --> 00:11:21.597 I think it's end of 303, 286 00:11:21.597 --> 00:11:23.432 where she's like, "You did great today, sir." 287 00:11:23.432 --> 00:11:26.018 and then he kind of gives a little smirk after she leaves. 288 00:11:26.018 --> 00:11:27.895 And I'm like, "Oh, if only she'd seen that." 289 00:11:27.895 --> 00:11:29.855 But, the real olive branch that 290 00:11:29.855 --> 00:11:30.690 I think Jack could offer her, 291 00:11:30.690 --> 00:11:34.443 or anyone, is to ask you to join his workout. 292 00:11:36.404 --> 00:11:37.238 - Yes. 293 00:11:37.238 --> 00:11:39.615 - Be like, "Hey, you wanna do some HIIT drills with me?" 294 00:11:39.615 --> 00:11:40.616 - Absolutely. 295 00:11:40.616 --> 00:11:42.034 - I'm gonna go for a run, you wanna join me? 296 00:11:42.034 --> 00:11:44.203 And at first it seems kind of gross, 297 00:11:44.203 --> 00:11:46.580 'cause you'd be like, "I don't wanna be in your whole 298 00:11:46.580 --> 00:11:48.290 lifting dude beef head world." 299 00:11:48.290 --> 00:11:50.584 - Sure. Yeah, there's a lot of testosterone in the air then. 300 00:11:50.584 --> 00:11:52.336 - It's aerosolized. 301 00:11:52.336 --> 00:11:53.546 - He feels like a CrossFit guy. 302 00:11:53.546 --> 00:11:55.589 Like, he's gonna be so friendly about it. 303 00:11:55.589 --> 00:11:58.092 And you're like, "Don't be so aggressive and friendly 304 00:11:58.092 --> 00:11:59.885 while you're tallying how many burpees I'm doing. 305 00:11:59.885 --> 00:12:01.011 That's weird." 306 00:12:01.011 --> 00:12:01.846 - Yeah, right. 307 00:12:01.846 --> 00:12:02.680 Now we're gonna talk about supplements. 308 00:12:02.680 --> 00:12:04.390 - Right? Yeah. 309 00:12:04.390 --> 00:12:05.891 I wanna talk about your protein intake. 310 00:12:05.891 --> 00:12:06.851 - Yeah. 311 00:12:06.851 --> 00:12:08.227 - But I do think because that's, like, his church, 312 00:12:08.227 --> 00:12:10.646 I think that would be the most like him offering 313 00:12:10.646 --> 00:12:12.314 a piece of himself. 314 00:12:12.314 --> 00:12:13.649 I love that. 315 00:12:13.649 --> 00:12:14.483 Maybe they'll do it. 316 00:12:14.483 --> 00:12:15.985 Let's talk about 304. 317 00:12:15.985 --> 00:12:16.819 Okay. 318 00:12:16.819 --> 00:12:19.363 Mariner goes on little bit of a trip. 319 00:12:19.363 --> 00:12:20.823 Boimler, what is up with your head? 320 00:12:20.823 --> 00:12:23.868 You look like a goddamn sea creature. 321 00:12:23.868 --> 00:12:25.703 Would you just talk a little bit 322 00:12:25.703 --> 00:12:29.373 about experiencing, like, Boimler and Tendi, 323 00:12:29.373 --> 00:12:32.710 I wanna say undoing the top button of their shirts. 324 00:12:32.710 --> 00:12:37.673 Yeah. I think that the catalyst of bold Boimler. 325 00:12:39.800 --> 00:12:40.634 - Yeah. 326 00:12:40.634 --> 00:12:42.219 - Along with the super catalyst 327 00:12:42.219 --> 00:12:44.972 of Mariner's just whole thing. 328 00:12:44.972 --> 00:12:45.806 - Yeah. 329 00:12:45.806 --> 00:12:49.393 - Is like, what did we used to do in the '90s? 330 00:12:49.393 --> 00:12:52.980 We'd put Mentos inside of a bottle of Coke. 331 00:12:53.939 --> 00:12:55.608 Oh yes, keep going. 332 00:12:55.608 --> 00:12:56.901 I love where this is going, yeah. 333 00:12:56.901 --> 00:13:00.029 I think it has the potential to explode and be a disaster. 334 00:13:02.448 --> 00:13:03.491 I am imagining a bottle of Diet Coke, 335 00:13:03.491 --> 00:13:06.076 but now the fountain is actually purple hair. 336 00:13:06.076 --> 00:13:07.495 Yeah. Oh yeah. 337 00:13:07.495 --> 00:13:09.413 Yeah, absolutely. 338 00:13:09.413 --> 00:13:12.750 Yeah, I'm scared for Boimler and for Tendi, 339 00:13:12.750 --> 00:13:13.918 but mostly for Boimler 340 00:13:13.918 --> 00:13:15.544 'cause I think he's a little more susceptible. 341 00:13:15.544 --> 00:13:19.006 I think being bold is a dangerous thing. 342 00:13:19.006 --> 00:13:21.717 I'm trying not to spoil things from later, but yeah. 343 00:13:21.717 --> 00:13:24.595 The boldness, he wears it well. 344 00:13:24.595 --> 00:13:25.846 He really does. 345 00:13:25.846 --> 00:13:29.141 But Mariner, it's not for the faint of heart 346 00:13:29.141 --> 00:13:30.810 to live like her. 347 00:13:30.810 --> 00:13:33.896 Just from a creative dramatic storytelling point of view 348 00:13:33.896 --> 00:13:36.941 the concept of bold Boimler is really smart. 349 00:13:36.941 --> 00:13:37.775 Oh yeah. 350 00:13:37.775 --> 00:13:40.236 Letting Jack do what Jack does so unbelievably well. 351 00:13:40.236 --> 00:13:43.989 Allowing the relationship, that incredible back-and-forth. 352 00:13:43.989 --> 00:13:45.366 I've watched it. 353 00:13:45.366 --> 00:13:49.578 I felt like you two really picked up 354 00:13:49.578 --> 00:13:50.996 one another's rhythms immediately 355 00:13:50.996 --> 00:13:52.873 from the very beginning from Episode 1. 356 00:13:52.873 --> 00:13:54.333 I have really felt that. 357 00:13:54.333 --> 00:13:57.002 And I've watched it get even tighter. 358 00:13:57.002 --> 00:14:00.631 You're like a jazz trio. 359 00:14:00.631 --> 00:14:02.216 Ooh, thank you. 360 00:14:02.216 --> 00:14:03.592 So tightly playing together. 361 00:14:03.592 --> 00:14:07.471 Occasionally riffing in ways that just bring it all. 362 00:14:07.471 --> 00:14:10.140 But constantly coming back to that main kind of spine 363 00:14:10.140 --> 00:14:11.392 that keeps it all together. 364 00:14:11.392 --> 00:14:13.060 And I've watched this now for three seasons. 365 00:14:13.060 --> 00:14:13.894 Yeah. 366 00:14:13.894 --> 00:14:16.730 And I thought that bold Boimler was this terrific idea 367 00:14:16.730 --> 00:14:20.109 to allow you to continue playing the same style 368 00:14:20.109 --> 00:14:22.736 but now it's a slightly different interpretation, right? 369 00:14:22.736 --> 00:14:23.821 It's not beebop jazz. 370 00:14:23.821 --> 00:14:26.323 It's like Miles Davis in the '50s kind of jazz, right? 371 00:14:26.323 --> 00:14:29.952 Yes. I like this analogy because it is a riff 372 00:14:29.952 --> 00:14:32.246 on their constant dynamic. 373 00:14:32.246 --> 00:14:34.999 Their constant dynamic is one is one's the uptight 374 00:14:34.999 --> 00:14:36.417 and one's the out of sight. 375 00:14:36.417 --> 00:14:38.627 And so for the uptight to get a little more out of sight, 376 00:14:38.627 --> 00:14:42.047 things have to kind of shift and balance. 377 00:14:42.923 --> 00:14:45.342 You bring up our riffing together. 378 00:14:45.342 --> 00:14:47.928 I gotta give a shout out to Mike and the writers 379 00:14:47.928 --> 00:14:49.513 and the directors of the episode. 380 00:14:49.513 --> 00:14:52.433 Because Season 1, that was created artificially. 381 00:14:52.433 --> 00:14:54.518 We had a couple times where we recorded together 382 00:14:54.518 --> 00:14:57.771 but, really any amount of back-and-forth that feels natural 383 00:14:57.771 --> 00:15:01.108 was created by so specifically splicing us together 384 00:15:01.108 --> 00:15:04.486 that we sounded like we were in the room together. 385 00:15:04.486 --> 00:15:05.863 I will take a little ownership 386 00:15:05.863 --> 00:15:08.657 over the vibe being kind of more ours now 387 00:15:08.657 --> 00:15:11.535 because now we know each other so well. 388 00:15:11.535 --> 00:15:12.369 And we're such good friends 389 00:15:12.369 --> 00:15:14.038 and we're such good friends with Mike. 390 00:15:14.038 --> 00:15:15.039 That now our rhythms are coming 391 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:16.665 from the fact that we can hear each other. 392 00:15:16.665 --> 00:15:18.334 I read the script and I can hear Jack. 393 00:15:18.334 --> 00:15:19.501 I know he is gonna do it. 394 00:15:19.501 --> 00:15:20.794 I know how he is gonna do his alt. 395 00:15:20.794 --> 00:15:21.962 - Yeah, totally. 396 00:15:21.962 --> 00:15:23.923 - And so then when they slide us together it's like, 397 00:15:23.923 --> 00:15:26.425 "Well, yeah, I could hear that whole thing." 398 00:15:26.425 --> 00:15:27.760 So it's great. 399 00:15:27.760 --> 00:15:28.802 In this week's episode, 400 00:15:28.802 --> 00:15:32.681 Mariner and Boimler are at the career fair. 401 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:36.852 Representing Starfleet. 402 00:15:36.852 --> 00:15:40.272 And Bradford Boimler loses it. 403 00:15:40.272 --> 00:15:44.026 Without Starfleet none of you would exist. 404 00:15:44.026 --> 00:15:47.112 Absolutely completely. 405 00:15:47.112 --> 00:15:47.947 - Love it. 406 00:15:47.947 --> 00:15:49.698 - 100% meltdown. 407 00:15:49.698 --> 00:15:50.950 - Love it. 408 00:15:50.950 --> 00:15:52.660 - I was dying. 409 00:15:52.660 --> 00:15:54.578 Have you ever had your quiet friend 410 00:15:54.578 --> 00:15:56.705 lose their s*** at trivia? 411 00:15:56.705 --> 00:16:00.668 Or just go nuts on somebody being rude in a restaurant. 412 00:16:00.668 --> 00:16:02.753 And they're like, "You know what?" 413 00:16:02.753 --> 00:16:05.422 And you're like, "Whoa, Charlotte, I had no idea." 414 00:16:05.422 --> 00:16:08.717 Just the shade with Petra back-and-forth. 415 00:16:08.717 --> 00:16:10.177 It's so funny. 416 00:16:11.053 --> 00:16:15.224 When Mariner kind of clearly... 417 00:16:15.224 --> 00:16:16.350 Petra's like... 418 00:16:16.350 --> 00:16:18.519 Mariner's buying what she's selling. 419 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.105 Right? She may not be subscribing to the newsletter, 420 00:16:21.105 --> 00:16:23.315 but she is absolutely browsing those shelves. 421 00:16:23.315 --> 00:16:24.149 - Oh yeah. 422 00:16:24.149 --> 00:16:27.194 Talk about that reaction And Petra's ability 423 00:16:27.194 --> 00:16:30.155 to catch Mariner's eye and interest 424 00:16:30.155 --> 00:16:35.119 and maybe alter her direction a little bit. 425 00:16:35.119 --> 00:16:37.079 Yeah, So first I gotta give a shout to 426 00:16:37.079 --> 00:16:39.456 the voice actress who played Petra. 427 00:16:39.456 --> 00:16:41.041 That's my friend, Georgia May King. 428 00:16:41.041 --> 00:16:41.875 - She's great. 429 00:16:41.875 --> 00:16:42.710 - She is so great. 430 00:16:42.710 --> 00:16:43.711 I was so happy when she got it. 431 00:16:43.711 --> 00:16:46.046 I was like, "Oh, that's my friend. She's amazing." 432 00:16:46.046 --> 00:16:49.842 And she delivers those lines in such a... 433 00:16:49.842 --> 00:16:51.969 It's so perfect 'cause it's dripping with shade 434 00:16:51.969 --> 00:16:54.555 but also like, "Come here" a little bit. 435 00:16:54.555 --> 00:16:55.389 - Yeah. 436 00:16:55.389 --> 00:16:57.182 It's like, "Oh you and your bulls*** Starfleet 437 00:16:57.182 --> 00:17:00.728 whatever, whatever but also, what if you came over here?" 438 00:17:00.728 --> 00:17:02.354 And it's so smart, 'cause it's exactly what Mariner needs. 439 00:17:02.354 --> 00:17:04.189 Mariner would not respond to someone being like, 440 00:17:04.189 --> 00:17:05.816 "Hey, everything I got is way better." 441 00:17:05.816 --> 00:17:07.526 Mariner would be like, "No thanks." 442 00:17:07.526 --> 00:17:09.445 But someone doing one of these. 443 00:17:09.445 --> 00:17:10.863 This is gross, you probably wouldn't like it. 444 00:17:10.863 --> 00:17:11.989 But if you wanna look at it. 445 00:17:11.989 --> 00:17:13.073 You probably couldn't even handle it. 446 00:17:13.073 --> 00:17:15.367 You probably could not even begin to deal with this. 447 00:17:15.367 --> 00:17:16.702 But if you think maybe. 448 00:17:16.702 --> 00:17:17.536 Maybe. 449 00:17:17.536 --> 00:17:20.039 You wanna wear a vest? You wanna have extra pockets? 450 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:21.498 Maybe come over here. 451 00:17:21.498 --> 00:17:23.083 I love it. 452 00:17:23.083 --> 00:17:24.418 I feel like Mariner is 100% a person 453 00:17:24.418 --> 00:17:28.464 who would very much respond to the pocket bonus. 454 00:17:28.464 --> 00:17:30.758 Oh yeah, It's like, 455 00:17:30.758 --> 00:17:33.552 "Hey, you get to wear a pant with bonus pockets. 456 00:17:33.552 --> 00:17:34.720 For storing who knows what. 457 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:36.055 And Mariner's like, "I'm in." 458 00:17:36.055 --> 00:17:37.556 "You know how many knives I can put in there?" 459 00:17:37.556 --> 00:17:38.599 So many knives. 460 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:39.433 So many. 461 00:17:39.433 --> 00:17:41.060 It's mostly knives in those pockets. 462 00:17:41.060 --> 00:17:43.645 Yeah, they're mostly knife pockets. 463 00:17:43.645 --> 00:17:46.148 I have known about this forever. 464 00:17:46.148 --> 00:17:48.400 And it has been the hardest secret in the world 465 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:49.526 for me to keep. 466 00:17:49.526 --> 00:17:50.402 - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 467 00:17:50.402 --> 00:17:51.820 - I have been wanting to talk about it 468 00:17:51.820 --> 00:17:53.572 since the day I found out about it. 469 00:17:53.572 --> 00:17:55.699 It was finally announced at Comic-Con 470 00:17:55.699 --> 00:17:59.578 that there is a crossover episode with Strange New Worlds. 471 00:17:59.578 --> 00:18:00.412 - Yeah. 472 00:18:00.412 --> 00:18:02.831 - I want to know all about it. 473 00:18:02.831 --> 00:18:04.666 I could talk to you for four hours about it 474 00:18:04.666 --> 00:18:06.543 because it is by far one of the coolest things 475 00:18:06.543 --> 00:18:08.378 I've ever gotten to do. 476 00:18:08.378 --> 00:18:10.798 I will try to truncate and give you highlights. 477 00:18:10.798 --> 00:18:15.719 What's wild is that I wanted to tread so lightly. 478 00:18:16.845 --> 00:18:18.889 I wanted to be really hyper-aware 479 00:18:18.889 --> 00:18:22.184 of the fact that we were given this amazing opportunity. 480 00:18:22.184 --> 00:18:25.104 That Jack and I, we're the leads of our show. 481 00:18:25.104 --> 00:18:26.897 but we are guests on this show. 482 00:18:26.897 --> 00:18:27.981 We're the guests on this set. 483 00:18:27.981 --> 00:18:28.816 You know, that feeling. 484 00:18:28.816 --> 00:18:29.691 I absolutely do. 485 00:18:29.691 --> 00:18:30.526 Where you're like, I don't wanna come in here 486 00:18:30.526 --> 00:18:32.778 and barge in with my chaotic wild energy. 487 00:18:32.778 --> 00:18:35.364 I wanna respect whatever the vibe is here. 488 00:18:35.364 --> 00:18:36.657 'Cause I knew a few of those actors. 489 00:18:36.657 --> 00:18:39.743 I knew Rebecca, but I didn't really know everyone. 490 00:18:39.743 --> 00:18:41.161 So I was like, I don't know what the vibe is. 491 00:18:41.161 --> 00:18:42.663 So Tawny goes in there very different 492 00:18:42.663 --> 00:18:44.498 than Mariner's gonna go in there. 493 00:18:44.498 --> 00:18:48.085 A little. I was still definitely like blah, blah 494 00:18:48.085 --> 00:18:49.461 but I wasn't... 495 00:18:49.461 --> 00:18:51.004 I was still feeling people out. 496 00:18:51.004 --> 00:18:51.839 Yeah. Okay. 497 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:53.465 Frakes actually said to me at one point, 498 00:18:53.465 --> 00:18:54.383 I think it was like day two, he goes, 499 00:18:54.383 --> 00:18:55.467 "You're very well behaved," 500 00:18:55.467 --> 00:18:56.927 because I think he could tell 501 00:18:56.927 --> 00:18:58.178 I was bursting outta my skin a little bit. 502 00:18:58.178 --> 00:18:59.012 - Yeah. 503 00:18:59.012 --> 00:19:00.013 - But you have to feel everybody out. 504 00:19:00.013 --> 00:19:05.018 But what surprised me was how easy it was to slip in. 505 00:19:05.060 --> 00:19:06.895 You get in that uniform 506 00:19:06.895 --> 00:19:08.522 where the sleeves didn't even roll down. 507 00:19:08.522 --> 00:19:09.815 They just sewed them like that. 508 00:19:09.815 --> 00:19:10.649 - Amazing 509 00:19:10.649 --> 00:19:12.151 - So they just stayed rolled up. 510 00:19:12.151 --> 00:19:13.819 - I love that about her, by the way. 511 00:19:13.819 --> 00:19:14.653 I love it. 512 00:19:14.653 --> 00:19:15.821 Bernadette the costumer was like, 513 00:19:15.821 --> 00:19:16.697 "So the sleeves are just gonna stay 514 00:19:16.697 --> 00:19:17.781 'cause you'd never rolled them down." 515 00:19:17.781 --> 00:19:20.450 And I was like, "You get me." 516 00:19:20.450 --> 00:19:23.704 And the hair and makeup was like... 517 00:19:23.704 --> 00:19:24.913 Scotia and the makeup department 518 00:19:24.913 --> 00:19:26.373 did the perfect winged liner 519 00:19:26.373 --> 00:19:27.666 to make it look just like Mariner. 520 00:19:27.666 --> 00:19:28.500 - Yeah. 521 00:19:28.500 --> 00:19:29.459 - I got to wear my real hair. 522 00:19:29.459 --> 00:19:30.711 I had a piece attached to it to make it bigger 523 00:19:30.711 --> 00:19:32.754 but those are my curls. 524 00:19:32.754 --> 00:19:35.215 And I just felt like, "Oh this is so seamless." 525 00:19:35.215 --> 00:19:37.926 "I'm her, she's me. This is not as hard as I thought." 526 00:19:37.926 --> 00:19:41.597 But the one thing I was like a little nervous about 527 00:19:41.597 --> 00:19:44.057 was the speed that we talk at 528 00:19:44.057 --> 00:19:45.893 and that I speak out in my normal life. 529 00:19:45.893 --> 00:19:46.727 - Yeah. 530 00:19:46.727 --> 00:19:49.688 - The vibe of Lower Decks is so fast. 531 00:19:49.688 --> 00:19:50.939 So there were a lot of moments 532 00:19:50.939 --> 00:19:54.943 where I was really surprised at how seamlessly 533 00:19:54.943 --> 00:19:56.945 our vibes did fit together. 534 00:19:56.945 --> 00:19:58.906 And I think that's such a testament to Frakes. 535 00:19:58.906 --> 00:20:01.116 I think that's just such a testament to that cast 536 00:20:01.116 --> 00:20:04.203 and those Showrunners and sturdy their show is 537 00:20:04.203 --> 00:20:05.078 that it could handle 538 00:20:05.078 --> 00:20:08.207 a weird little hurricane coming into it. 539 00:20:08.207 --> 00:20:10.542 'Cause that's what Jack and I sort of were a little cyclone. 540 00:20:10.542 --> 00:20:11.627 Yeah. 541 00:20:11.627 --> 00:20:12.920 Boy, the different... 542 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:14.588 It didn't even occur to me until you were talking about it. 543 00:20:14.588 --> 00:20:17.716 The very different pacing. 544 00:20:17.716 --> 00:20:18.550 Oh yeah. 545 00:20:18.550 --> 00:20:21.386 The pacing of animated 22-minute comedy 546 00:20:21.386 --> 00:20:26.391 versus the pacing of complicated 41-minute... 547 00:20:26.558 --> 00:20:31.063 That's so. I never even would've thought of that. 548 00:20:31.063 --> 00:20:31.897 - Yeah. 549 00:20:31.897 --> 00:20:33.106 - It's sort of the difference between 550 00:20:33.106 --> 00:20:34.775 playing the outfield and third base. 551 00:20:34.775 --> 00:20:36.693 I love sports and I know what you mean. 552 00:20:36.693 --> 00:20:38.237 I love sports so much. 553 00:20:38.237 --> 00:20:40.197 I don't know what you're talking about, Wil. 554 00:20:40.197 --> 00:20:42.074 Just nod like, "Yeah, that's exactly what that is." 555 00:20:42.074 --> 00:20:42.950 - Yeah. 556 00:20:42.950 --> 00:20:44.451 - Tell me how insightful and clever I am. 557 00:20:44.451 --> 00:20:45.869 - You're so clever. 558 00:20:45.869 --> 00:20:46.703 - Oh, thank you. 559 00:20:46.703 --> 00:20:49.831 Look, Tawny thinks I'm cool, everybody. 560 00:20:49.831 --> 00:20:54.002 When I was up there for Ready Room I called Frakes 561 00:20:55.212 --> 00:20:59.216 and I was like, "Dude, I love being here. 562 00:20:59.216 --> 00:21:02.177 This place, it reminds me of us. 563 00:21:02.177 --> 00:21:03.971 The set reminds me of us, 564 00:21:03.971 --> 00:21:05.264 the crew reminds me of us, 565 00:21:05.264 --> 00:21:07.891 the cast reminds me of us." 566 00:21:07.891 --> 00:21:12.562 I had forgotten that you got to work with him as a director. 567 00:21:12.562 --> 00:21:14.773 I have heard stories 568 00:21:14.773 --> 00:21:17.776 from other folks that have been directed by him. 569 00:21:17.776 --> 00:21:19.486 He absolutely brings something real special 570 00:21:19.486 --> 00:21:23.782 to every Star Trek by virtue of having been Commander Riker. 571 00:21:23.782 --> 00:21:25.659 But he's also just Jonathan Frakes, 572 00:21:25.659 --> 00:21:27.911 the guy who I desperately wish was my dad. 573 00:21:27.911 --> 00:21:29.037 Yeah. 574 00:21:29.037 --> 00:21:30.622 And I just adore him. 575 00:21:30.622 --> 00:21:32.874 Would you just talk a little bit about 576 00:21:32.874 --> 00:21:34.793 anything you noticed? 577 00:21:34.793 --> 00:21:36.461 Like what's Frakes' energy like? 578 00:21:36.461 --> 00:21:38.505 Like what was it like for you to experience? 579 00:21:38.505 --> 00:21:41.341 'Cause it's so different when we're in the booth, right? 580 00:21:41.341 --> 00:21:42.175 - Yeah. 581 00:21:42.175 --> 00:21:44.136 - When we're in the booth it's so like it's quiet. 582 00:21:44.136 --> 00:21:46.179 And even though we're having fun, 583 00:21:46.179 --> 00:21:48.098 there's like this much glass between us. 584 00:21:48.098 --> 00:21:49.266 - Yeah. 585 00:21:49.266 --> 00:21:50.350 - I don't know, it's different. 586 00:21:50.350 --> 00:21:52.144 All that Frakes energy is right there. 587 00:21:52.144 --> 00:21:53.186 It's amazing. 588 00:21:53.186 --> 00:21:56.940 I have three words and it's action, action, action. 589 00:21:56.940 --> 00:21:58.108 So he calls action. 590 00:21:58.108 --> 00:22:00.193 Normal directors are like, "And action." 591 00:22:00.193 --> 00:22:02.029 He goes, "Action, action, action." 592 00:22:02.029 --> 00:22:05.073 And it just makes you go like, "Oh yes, time to go." 593 00:22:05.073 --> 00:22:07.993 There's also just such an amazing feeling of being like, 594 00:22:07.993 --> 00:22:09.328 "Oh, I'm good. 595 00:22:09.328 --> 00:22:10.454 I'm literally in the hands 596 00:22:10.454 --> 00:22:12.831 of the best dude to be doing this. 597 00:22:12.831 --> 00:22:14.249 And he'll tell me if something 598 00:22:14.249 --> 00:22:15.792 doesn't look enough like Star Trek, 599 00:22:15.792 --> 00:22:17.711 'cause he has all the Star Trek in his brain. 600 00:22:17.711 --> 00:22:19.046 He knows it." 601 00:22:19.046 --> 00:22:21.214 When I saw you guys at Mission Chicago 602 00:22:21.214 --> 00:22:24.092 and you all came out in your uniforms, 603 00:22:24.092 --> 00:22:27.637 that created this level of unbelievable excitement 604 00:22:27.637 --> 00:22:29.431 for me to see that. 605 00:22:29.431 --> 00:22:34.269 There was a sense of y'all leaning into this thing that... 606 00:22:35.645 --> 00:22:37.064 I have this weird thing where I straddle fandom 607 00:22:37.064 --> 00:22:39.483 and inside the room, right? 608 00:22:39.483 --> 00:22:40.317 - Of course, yeah. 609 00:22:40.317 --> 00:22:41.526 - The part of me that lives in fandom 610 00:22:41.526 --> 00:22:46.156 was just so delighted that you all embraced that 611 00:22:46.156 --> 00:22:51.161 and shared that joy with all of us. 612 00:22:51.370 --> 00:22:53.372 That's what it was, it was pure joy. 613 00:22:53.372 --> 00:22:58.377 Because at that point we had not yet filmed our crossover. 614 00:22:58.502 --> 00:23:00.253 And so it definitely was not announced. 615 00:23:00.253 --> 00:23:01.088 - Yeah. 616 00:23:01.088 --> 00:23:03.924 - And it was just a funny idea 617 00:23:03.924 --> 00:23:05.384 that had come about from Twitter. 618 00:23:05.384 --> 00:23:07.219 And Jack had jumped on and said, "Yeah, I'll do this." 619 00:23:07.219 --> 00:23:08.470 And I was like, "I'll do this too." 620 00:23:08.470 --> 00:23:10.847 And then John Van Citters helped us find 621 00:23:10.847 --> 00:23:15.143 a wonderful costumer to make them for us. 622 00:23:15.143 --> 00:23:16.645 And it all came together really fast. 623 00:23:16.645 --> 00:23:19.439 But what really made me happy was that 624 00:23:19.439 --> 00:23:22.859 every person, from Jerry to Noël, to Mike, 625 00:23:22.859 --> 00:23:25.695 everyone was just like, "Oh my God, that's so cool." 626 00:23:25.695 --> 00:23:29.491 'Cause we've done a lot of work in shows in life. 627 00:23:29.491 --> 00:23:30.784 We've worked with a lot of cast. 628 00:23:30.784 --> 00:23:32.994 There is very much a world where someone would've been like 629 00:23:32.994 --> 00:23:35.789 "What? Oh, okay." 630 00:23:35.789 --> 00:23:36.706 Absolutely. 631 00:23:36.706 --> 00:23:38.041 And I would've been like fine. I get it. 632 00:23:38.041 --> 00:23:39.292 You're an actor, you don't wanna do this. 633 00:23:39.292 --> 00:23:40.127 - Yeah. 634 00:23:40.127 --> 00:23:42.170 - But everyone just went, "Oh cool." 635 00:23:42.170 --> 00:23:45.215 And I was like, "I love us." 636 00:23:45.215 --> 00:23:47.217 We're such sweeties. 637 00:23:48.885 --> 00:23:51.721 I have just really enjoyed talking with you. 638 00:23:51.721 --> 00:23:52.556 You as well. 639 00:23:52.556 --> 00:23:53.640 Thank you for having me. 640 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:54.975 And as I've told you privately, 641 00:23:54.975 --> 00:23:56.226 and as I've said on this show, 642 00:23:56.226 --> 00:23:57.436 huge fan of Lower Decks. 643 00:23:57.436 --> 00:23:58.311 - Thank you. 644 00:23:58.311 --> 00:23:59.521 - And I just love what you're doing with it. 645 00:23:59.521 --> 00:24:03.775 I am excited for y'all to continue exploring 646 00:24:03.775 --> 00:24:06.862 the animated frontier. 647 00:24:06.862 --> 00:24:07.946 Oh, I like that. 648 00:24:07.946 --> 00:24:09.531 It is the animated frontier. 649 00:24:09.531 --> 00:24:10.365 Yeah, thank you so much. 650 00:24:10.365 --> 00:24:12.868 It's been nice to be here in person. 651 00:24:12.868 --> 00:24:14.828 It's so nice to do these things for real, 652 00:24:14.828 --> 00:24:16.788 that I just did from my couch for so long. 653 00:24:16.788 --> 00:24:19.541 Yeah, I'm really looking forward to hopefully 654 00:24:19.541 --> 00:24:21.793 pulling all of you together at some point. 655 00:24:21.793 --> 00:24:23.211 We accept and we'll see you there. 656 00:24:23.211 --> 00:24:24.129 Terrific, I'm looking forward to it. 657 00:24:24.129 --> 00:24:25.464 Thank you, Tawny. 658 00:24:25.464 --> 00:24:26.882 Thank you, Wil. 659 00:24:46.651 --> 00:24:48.570 By now we should all be able to draw Tendi, Doctor T'Ana, 660 00:24:48.570 --> 00:24:51.239 and Ensign Wil Wheaton having a drink together 661 00:24:51.239 --> 00:24:52.741 in the Cerritos Mess Hall. 662 00:24:52.741 --> 00:24:55.535 But to level up and draw, say, a super awkward 663 00:24:55.535 --> 00:24:56.953 holosuite scenario 664 00:24:56.953 --> 00:24:58.830 we've got Lower Decks Supervising Director, 665 00:24:58.830 --> 00:25:00.123 Barry Kelly on hand 666 00:25:00.123 --> 00:25:03.502 to teach us how to draw Bajoran Security Chief Shaxs. 667 00:25:03.502 --> 00:25:06.087 So grab a pencil, say a prayer to the Prophets, 668 00:25:06.087 --> 00:25:08.048 and follow along. 669 00:25:08.048 --> 00:25:10.759 Howdy, I'm Barry J. Kelly from Titmouse Cartoons. 670 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:12.636 And I'm the Supervising Director of Star Trek Lower Decks. 671 00:25:12.636 --> 00:25:15.055 I'm gonna draw some Shaxs. 672 00:25:15.055 --> 00:25:15.889 Yes. 673 00:25:16.973 --> 00:25:17.807 No. 674 00:25:20.560 --> 00:25:22.187 Doing a drawing is always a little daunting 675 00:25:22.187 --> 00:25:24.064 when you're trying to put that first line down. 676 00:25:24.064 --> 00:25:25.690 So, I usually have to warm up a little bit. 677 00:25:25.690 --> 00:25:27.442 Usually, I start with just some, like, 678 00:25:27.442 --> 00:25:28.276 little strokes on the paper 679 00:25:28.276 --> 00:25:30.487 and then little silhouettes of the characters 680 00:25:30.487 --> 00:25:31.780 and things like that. 681 00:25:31.780 --> 00:25:33.615 Or sometimes a good trick my friend told me was, 682 00:25:33.615 --> 00:25:35.784 "Try to draw light." 683 00:25:35.784 --> 00:25:37.702 And if you're trying to figure out how to draw light, 684 00:25:37.702 --> 00:25:41.540 maybe just draw, like, a little light circle at the top 685 00:25:41.540 --> 00:25:44.084 and kind of don't draw darker than that for a little bit 686 00:25:44.084 --> 00:25:45.585 until you, like, know what you're drawing. 687 00:25:45.585 --> 00:25:48.880 The reason why I'm choosing to draw Shaxs, 688 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.467 I kind of feel like muscled meaty men is kind of my jam. 689 00:25:52.467 --> 00:25:54.803 That is outstanding. 690 00:25:54.803 --> 00:25:56.137 Gotta be true to yourself. 691 00:25:56.137 --> 00:25:57.055 Am I right, bears? 692 00:25:57.055 --> 00:25:59.933 Shaxs is really fun and intense. 693 00:25:59.933 --> 00:26:02.227 And he's kind of got these gorilla proportions 694 00:26:02.227 --> 00:26:04.729 that are really fun to work with. 695 00:26:04.729 --> 00:26:07.065 For drawing the Shaxs drawing I'm gonna do, 696 00:26:07.065 --> 00:26:08.817 I kind of look for a pose that I like 697 00:26:08.817 --> 00:26:11.152 and then I kind of start drawing it from different angles 698 00:26:11.152 --> 00:26:13.154 to see which angle I wanna land on. 699 00:26:13.154 --> 00:26:15.198 It's naked time. 700 00:26:15.198 --> 00:26:16.032 Oh. 701 00:26:16.032 --> 00:26:17.409 I usually kind of fill up a sheet. 702 00:26:17.409 --> 00:26:20.453 It's, like, I want to use every nook and cranny of a page 703 00:26:20.453 --> 00:26:21.705 just 'cause I guess I feel like 704 00:26:21.705 --> 00:26:23.456 what's daunting about drawing 705 00:26:23.456 --> 00:26:26.209 is sometimes you don't wanna use up your tools, 706 00:26:26.209 --> 00:26:30.046 but I think you just gotta, like, forget that 707 00:26:30.046 --> 00:26:32.090 and just use your tools and use your paper 708 00:26:32.090 --> 00:26:32.966 as much as you can. 709 00:26:32.966 --> 00:26:35.468 Don't be precious with it. 710 00:26:35.468 --> 00:26:36.803 Go ahead and make mistakes. 711 00:26:36.803 --> 00:26:39.472 That's kind of what this whole rough stage is for. 712 00:26:39.472 --> 00:26:40.390 Come on, man. 713 00:26:40.390 --> 00:26:42.601 This is your chance to prove you got what it takes. 714 00:26:42.601 --> 00:26:44.019 I never really went to art school, 715 00:26:44.019 --> 00:26:46.896 but I'd learned a lot about art stuff in general 716 00:26:46.896 --> 00:26:49.524 just from copying and observing. 717 00:26:49.524 --> 00:26:52.485 And it took me quite a long time to catch up on my own. 718 00:26:52.485 --> 00:26:55.572 But just one thing that art teachers say over and over again 719 00:26:55.572 --> 00:26:57.407 is "Silhouette, silhouette, silhouette." 720 00:26:57.407 --> 00:27:00.201 And it's only hitting me now, like 15 years later, 721 00:27:00.201 --> 00:27:02.621 like, a silhouette does a lot of work for you. 722 00:27:02.621 --> 00:27:04.914 Even when we're story boarding the show, 723 00:27:04.914 --> 00:27:07.167 we're trying to cram in, like, a bunch of silhouettes 724 00:27:07.167 --> 00:27:08.460 into one shot. 725 00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:10.795 Shoot for a clear silhouette and you'll get yourself 726 00:27:10.795 --> 00:27:12.881 a pretty clean drawing. 727 00:27:12.881 --> 00:27:14.466 New shift on deck. 728 00:27:14.466 --> 00:27:15.550 Get outta my chair. 729 00:27:15.550 --> 00:27:17.719 Thank you, it's a great honor. 730 00:27:17.719 --> 00:27:19.679 All right, I feel like I've warmed up some Shaxs enough. 731 00:27:19.679 --> 00:27:23.266 I'm gonna switch over to the final drawing. 732 00:27:25.935 --> 00:27:28.104 Now, we start with the head. 733 00:27:28.104 --> 00:27:29.230 The head kind of determines 734 00:27:29.230 --> 00:27:31.983 the size of the rest of the body. 735 00:27:31.983 --> 00:27:35.612 Because he's a big dude his head's probably a bit smaller. 736 00:27:35.612 --> 00:27:38.698 Put his chest out, a hero. 737 00:27:40.617 --> 00:27:42.577 Once you kind of set up the head. 738 00:27:42.577 --> 00:27:44.954 I'm kind of trying to give how much space 739 00:27:44.954 --> 00:27:47.874 he's gonna take up on the entire page. 740 00:27:47.874 --> 00:27:49.334 So I'm trying to, like, figure out 741 00:27:49.334 --> 00:27:51.294 how far his feet are gonna go down 742 00:27:51.294 --> 00:27:54.130 so that I know, when I go to put the final lines down, 743 00:27:54.130 --> 00:27:55.298 I know kind of roughly 744 00:27:55.298 --> 00:27:57.509 where his whole size and shape are. 745 00:27:57.509 --> 00:27:59.219 I'm not worrying about, like, details or anatomy, 746 00:27:59.219 --> 00:28:02.764 I'm just trying to put big blocky shapes down. 747 00:28:02.764 --> 00:28:04.891 I'll put his leg on something. 748 00:28:04.891 --> 00:28:08.770 Maybe he's saving Commander Billups. 749 00:28:08.770 --> 00:28:09.854 No, do it now. 750 00:28:09.854 --> 00:28:11.648 You do it right this second. 751 00:28:11.648 --> 00:28:14.776 Something about Shax's face, he's got more jaw. 752 00:28:14.776 --> 00:28:16.444 So, it's kind of like 753 00:28:17.654 --> 00:28:22.158 your eyes and your ear to your nose 754 00:28:22.158 --> 00:28:23.284 kind of all falls in line. 755 00:28:23.284 --> 00:28:24.369 And, like, that's kind of how 756 00:28:24.369 --> 00:28:26.037 your face ends up proportionate, right? 757 00:28:26.037 --> 00:28:27.038 And all of us, if you're more proportionate, 758 00:28:27.038 --> 00:28:28.748 it's kind of, like, evenly distributed. 759 00:28:28.748 --> 00:28:30.458 But, in order to make different character faces, 760 00:28:30.458 --> 00:28:33.253 you kinda move the eyes up, bring the chin down, 761 00:28:33.253 --> 00:28:34.087 and stuff like that. 762 00:28:34.087 --> 00:28:35.255 So, Shaxs is one of our characters 763 00:28:35.255 --> 00:28:36.381 where the eyes and the face 764 00:28:36.381 --> 00:28:38.800 are a little bit higher up on his head 765 00:28:38.800 --> 00:28:43.763 so that his mouth than his chin get a little bit bigger. 766 00:28:46.099 --> 00:28:48.393 One thing that always helps make Shaxs look like Shaxs 767 00:28:48.393 --> 00:28:51.771 is making him kind of crazy, which means tiny pupils. 768 00:28:51.771 --> 00:28:54.315 You're lucky I'm so spiritually centered or I'd snap. 769 00:28:54.315 --> 00:28:57.986 He's always got, like, this thousand yard stare on him. 770 00:28:57.986 --> 00:28:59.612 Like he came back from the dead, he died, 771 00:28:59.612 --> 00:29:02.282 he's Bajoran, and he's been in battle most of his life, 772 00:29:02.282 --> 00:29:03.908 and is super intense. 773 00:29:03.908 --> 00:29:04.743 So anytime there's an opportunity to make him 774 00:29:04.743 --> 00:29:06.035 super intense. 775 00:29:06.035 --> 00:29:09.748 We're sparing you dark truths about scientific depravity 776 00:29:09.748 --> 00:29:12.625 that would haunt you for the rest of your days. 777 00:29:12.625 --> 00:29:13.793 I'm gonna switch over to a pen here, 778 00:29:13.793 --> 00:29:17.297 a super fine black Rapidograph kind of pen. 779 00:29:18.423 --> 00:29:19.299 There's a lot of pressure 780 00:29:19.299 --> 00:29:21.384 to get the details on the face right of any drawing 781 00:29:21.384 --> 00:29:24.637 just because that's where everyone's eyes go first. 782 00:29:24.637 --> 00:29:25.972 Shaxs has kind of like a cloudy eye. 783 00:29:25.972 --> 00:29:29.100 It's a little bit hard to do with black ink. 784 00:29:29.100 --> 00:29:31.269 And he is got a little scar here. 785 00:29:32.312 --> 00:29:33.605 One thing about Shaxs' mustache, too, 786 00:29:33.605 --> 00:29:36.649 is that it's kind of his upper lip. 787 00:29:36.649 --> 00:29:38.902 I'm drawing his neck a bit thicker 788 00:29:38.902 --> 00:29:40.612 probably than our cartoon does, 789 00:29:40.612 --> 00:29:43.656 but my meaty muscled men have thick necks. 790 00:29:43.656 --> 00:29:44.657 This is going sideways. 791 00:29:44.657 --> 00:29:46.117 I recommend we beam out now. 792 00:29:46.117 --> 00:29:47.744 So, now I'm kind of generally just starting with 793 00:29:47.744 --> 00:29:50.580 the outer edge of his whole body, the outer contour. 794 00:29:50.580 --> 00:29:52.123 'Cause it's gonna kind of define 795 00:29:52.123 --> 00:29:54.918 where the details need to go on the inside. 796 00:29:56.503 --> 00:29:58.671 And as I do this, I'm not exactly doing my blue lines, now. 797 00:29:58.671 --> 00:30:00.840 Now, I'm starting to give him his legs 798 00:30:00.840 --> 00:30:02.425 a little bit of anatomy. 799 00:30:02.425 --> 00:30:03.426 For the most part, 800 00:30:04.719 --> 00:30:07.055 drawing a straight line gets you most of the way there, 801 00:30:07.055 --> 00:30:07.889 just the straight leg. 802 00:30:07.889 --> 00:30:12.644 But just a little bit of extra volume along that line 803 00:30:12.644 --> 00:30:15.897 kind of gives us the hint of his quads. 804 00:30:17.398 --> 00:30:21.236 Shaxs also has tiny feet and baby hands. 805 00:30:21.236 --> 00:30:24.781 Ah, that place did take a lot out of me. 806 00:30:24.781 --> 00:30:26.783 But not my killer serve. 807 00:30:26.783 --> 00:30:28.701 Aw, Shaxs, you always get me. 808 00:30:28.701 --> 00:30:30.286 He's saving Billups from something. 809 00:30:30.286 --> 00:30:31.663 If you have a little bit of a story, 810 00:30:31.663 --> 00:30:33.998 it always helps in the drawing. 811 00:30:33.998 --> 00:30:38.837 Certainly in my head it helps a lot just to make it funny. 812 00:30:40.004 --> 00:30:41.840 The story will also help you define the characters. 813 00:30:41.840 --> 00:30:44.717 Shaxs having a scar on his eye is a story. 814 00:30:44.717 --> 00:30:45.844 It's like, "Where did he get that?" 815 00:30:45.844 --> 00:30:46.678 "Why did he have that?" 816 00:30:46.678 --> 00:30:47.887 And it gives us a little bit of information 817 00:30:47.887 --> 00:30:48.805 about the character. 818 00:30:48.805 --> 00:30:51.224 That he's maybe seen a lot of stuff. 819 00:30:51.224 --> 00:30:53.351 Let it all out. 820 00:30:53.351 --> 00:30:56.396 I can do some foliage and stuff back here. 821 00:30:56.396 --> 00:30:58.022 And again, not trying to fill it in 822 00:30:58.022 --> 00:30:59.315 with the bunch of detail yet. 823 00:30:59.315 --> 00:31:00.483 Just trying to hit the silhouette 824 00:31:00.483 --> 00:31:04.070 of some trees and some leaves and stuff like that. 825 00:31:04.070 --> 00:31:04.946 And then you can kind of see, 826 00:31:04.946 --> 00:31:07.782 I kind of drew some underwear here for him. 827 00:31:07.782 --> 00:31:09.742 I'll kind of render that out with parallel lines. 828 00:31:09.742 --> 00:31:11.786 And just don't put pressure on what you're doing. 829 00:31:11.786 --> 00:31:13.413 Every day, I'm working with artists 830 00:31:13.413 --> 00:31:15.874 who are all at different skill levels 831 00:31:15.874 --> 00:31:17.542 and trying to get everybody on the same page. 832 00:31:17.542 --> 00:31:19.002 And it's just trying to get everyone 833 00:31:19.002 --> 00:31:21.754 to be comfortable with what they're doing and not be afraid. 834 00:31:21.754 --> 00:31:23.756 You don't have to know how to draw everything, 835 00:31:23.756 --> 00:31:25.466 but you should at least be skilled enough 836 00:31:25.466 --> 00:31:27.760 to look at something and be able to draw anything. 837 00:31:27.760 --> 00:31:32.390 I'm going to make a cute little ash tray for my incense. 838 00:31:32.390 --> 00:31:34.225 It's going to look like a puppy. 839 00:31:34.225 --> 00:31:35.184 And maybe as I'm finishing up, 840 00:31:35.184 --> 00:31:38.396 I'm just gonna give the edges just a little once over 841 00:31:38.396 --> 00:31:41.482 just to make sure they aren't as rough. 842 00:31:41.482 --> 00:31:44.235 All right, pencils down. 843 00:31:44.235 --> 00:31:46.988 And there's Shaxs and Billups on the run. 844 00:31:46.988 --> 00:31:49.282 Thanks for drawing with me today. 845 00:31:49.282 --> 00:31:50.366 We did it. 846 00:31:50.366 --> 00:31:53.286 I dunno what we did, but we did it. 847 00:32:25.443 --> 00:32:27.779 The first half of Season 3 of Star Trek Lower Decks 848 00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:29.989 has been a hilarious adventure. 849 00:32:29.989 --> 00:32:32.116 And while I usually love to be able 850 00:32:32.116 --> 00:32:35.536 to give you a little glimpse of what's coming up next week, 851 00:32:35.536 --> 00:32:38.831 next week's episode is so jam-packed with Easter eggs 852 00:32:38.831 --> 00:32:42.085 literally anything we show you would be a spoiler. 853 00:32:42.085 --> 00:32:43.461 But, because I hate to leave you 854 00:32:43.461 --> 00:32:45.004 with nothing to look forward to, 855 00:32:45.004 --> 00:32:47.590 we do have an image from next week, 856 00:32:47.590 --> 00:32:50.551 that honestly is plenty to get excited about. 857 00:32:50.551 --> 00:32:52.345 And you won't even know what the spoilers are 858 00:32:52.345 --> 00:32:54.055 until after the episode is aired. 859 00:32:54.055 --> 00:32:55.056 Take a look. 860 00:33:04.357 --> 00:33:07.610 It has been such a privilege, as it always is, 861 00:33:07.610 --> 00:33:09.112 to once again talk about 862 00:33:09.112 --> 00:33:10.989 all things Star Trek Universe with you. 863 00:33:10.989 --> 00:33:13.658 And just an enormous thank you to Tawny Newsome 864 00:33:13.658 --> 00:33:15.076 for talking with me today. 865 00:33:15.076 --> 00:33:16.744 I will be back in a few weeks 866 00:33:16.744 --> 00:33:19.622 when I'll be joined by Jack Quaid and Noël Wells, 867 00:33:19.622 --> 00:33:23.209 AKA Ensigns Bradward Boimler and D'Vana Tendi. 868 00:33:23.209 --> 00:33:25.753 To dig into Lower Decks' epic Season 3 finale. 869 00:33:25.753 --> 00:33:27.839 And if that weren't enough, 870 00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:30.216 we'll also celebrate the triumphant return 871 00:33:30.216 --> 00:33:32.010 of Star Trek: Prodigy 872 00:33:32.010 --> 00:33:33.886 when I talk to Brett Grey, who plays Dal, 873 00:33:33.886 --> 00:33:36.264 and Ella Purnell, who plays Gwyn. 874 00:33:36.264 --> 00:33:38.349 You won't want to miss this double series episode 875 00:33:38.349 --> 00:33:39.392 of The Ready Room. 876 00:33:39.392 --> 00:33:41.602 Until then I'm Wil Wheaton. 877 00:33:41.602 --> 00:33:43.438 Live long and prosper.