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I grew up a karate geek.

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I grew up doing martial arts.

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My brother and I would reenact
all the Bruce Lee movies.

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And, you know, we would just
reenact these fight scenes.

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We have the wonderful
Chris McGuire,

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who was the captain of

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orchestrating those
fight sequences.

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Whenever you're doing
a fight sequence,

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you always wanna go
back to the story.

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We purposely made
the conscious decision

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to make sure that
the fight felt rough.

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Not clean, messy.

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And the reason why it felt
messy is because our emotions

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were hindering our
physical movement.

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Character-wise,
they're two brothers

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who haven't seen each
other in quite some time.

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And there's a lot of built-in
resentment and whatnot.

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When you have two
very physical actors

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in a very emotional scene,

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every single beat of that fight
needs to be choreographed.

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When you're fighting
with family,

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and I can say this from
experience, I have four brothers,

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there's certain barriers
that you can punch through

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because you're family.

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So in actuality, you go harder.

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So we had to have the
openness and the room

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to really go hard
for each other.

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So in this fight sequence
there are headbutts,

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there are kicks,
very heavy punches.

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And I think it needs
to be that raw,

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it had to be 'cause you
always want different fights

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to have different textures.

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And, again, it informs the
story and the relationship

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between these brothers.

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And I really do hope that
that translates on screen.

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I love moving my body and
I do some fighting outside,

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not professional, but just
doing some like kickboxing

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or Muay Thai.

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But to actually do it
knowing that you are fighting

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against somebody and
embodying a character

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that is fighting
for their life

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is a completely,
completely different thing.

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Your whole mind and
body has to be in it.

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You have to believe you're
about to kill this person.

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What we'll do is rehearse,
rehearse, rehearse, rehearse.

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It builds into their
muscle memory

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so that they're not
having to think about

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whether their left foot goes
there, right foot goes there.

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And then they can
totally-safely of course-

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immerse themselves in
the character and let go.

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But Chris is so good
in terms of helping you

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move the way your
body naturally moves,

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because not everybody
fights the same way,

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not everybody moves
the same way.

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I would throw a punch
and he'd say,

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"Oyin, really close your-

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you're not gonna
hit somebody like that.

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Your fingers will break."

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So you have to
really be committed.

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So we did a big
sequence in Episode 10,

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in the Mirror Universe,

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where Georgiou has a
fight with Mirror Burnham.

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It's just you and
me now, Mother.

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Michelle is always very
specific as to what she wants

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and what she doesn't
want in a sequence.

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So in this
particular sequence,

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she wanted to be on the
defensive the entire time.

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She didn't want to throw
a punch or kick

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and she wanted it designed

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so that she had
absolutely no choice

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but to kill Mirror Burnham
at the end of the sequence.

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So we design something.

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Michelle comes in and she
tells us what she likes

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and what she doesn't like.

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That's very exciting
'cause I've been a fan,

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you know, growing up.

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And then we sort of roll the
camera and just sit back,

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and I can guarantee you

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you're gonna see
something pretty special.