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If The Next Generation cast
is like my nuclear family,
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then my next guests are like my aunts,
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uncles, and cousins who lived
right across the street.
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I am of course talking about
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
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It is my incredible pleasure
to welcome the series' cast:
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Alexander Siddig, Terry Farrell,
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Armin Shimerman, Nana
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as well as executive
producer Ira Steven Behr.
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My extended family and
Star Trek colleagues,
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welcome, and thank you for
spending some time with me today.
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Thank you, Wil.
Thank you.
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Thanks, Wil.
Thank you.
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Ira, I want to start at
the very, very beginning.
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Would you talk a little bit about
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the origin story for Deep Space Nine?
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Well, obviously, you know,
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the people to talk to
would be Mike and Rick,
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Mike Piller and Rick Berman,
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since they were the little
brains that thought it all up.
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But what I can tell you
is what Mike told me
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back in the day.
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You know,
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The Original Series was
Wagon Train in space,
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and they were talking
about Gunsmoke in space.
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Now everyone has to go and
look up on their computers
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what the hell Gunsmoke was,
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because no one remembers Gunsmoke anymore.
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But the idea of, you know,
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being in the town and
not being on the move,
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so basically it was the space station.
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And, you know, it sounds
like a small thing,
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but it changed the entire dynamic
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of what could be done with the franchise,
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so it was pretty brilliant.
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And the second thing that they did
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was they made their lead
character a single father,
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also never done before in the franchise,
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and that really set the
stage for what came after.
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Deep Space Nine is
finding new fans every day
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because of video and streaming services.
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I am running into people all the time,
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who are brand-new to Next Generation,
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who were not even born
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when Next Generation was in production.
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I would love to hear from
you all something memorable.
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Have you encountered someone
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who has recently
discovered Deep Space Nine
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and is experiencing it for the first time?
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And what that sort of means
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so many years after you wrapped the show?
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Armin, you're closest to me on the screen,
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so I wanna start with you.
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All right, I actually
will pass the ball along.
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Gonna talk to Nana for a second.
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Nana, I told you so.
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You told me so!
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I could go back to that
moment you told me so.
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You were absolutely right.
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Yep, they discovered us 25 years later.
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Nana and I were...
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I think it was the second
or third or fourth episode,
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I'm not quite sure when it was,
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perhaps Nana remembers better than I,
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but we were sitting backstage,
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and we were aware that your show, TNG,
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was overshadowing us a great deal
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even though we had just started appearing.
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And Nana very nicely said,
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"Do you think we'll ever be as popular..."
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or something to that effect,
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"Do you ever think we'll
be as popular as them?"
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I said, "Just you wait.
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In time, they will recognize
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the amount of good work
that's being done on our show.
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They'll find us eventually."
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And so what you just said, Wil,
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is a reaffirmation of what
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Yeah, I think about that all the time.
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And I had the inkling...
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It was weird.
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I was at a convention
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it was like a dribble-drabble,
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and all of sudden there
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there was a lot.
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And then, it was just
when it went on Netflix,
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this 15-year-old boy,
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15, came up and said, "Oh
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And I was like, "What?"
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I didn't know it was on Netflix.
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That was my first indication.
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And that was a wave
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It was really interesting.
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Terry?
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There are lots of...
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Sorry to butt in without...
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I shouldn't have done that,
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'cause I'm always interrupting
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You should've raised your hand, Sid.
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She didn't even start talking
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That's advanced interrupting, sir.
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It's a pre-interruption.
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Yes, it's quite advanced.
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But I meet a lot of people every week,
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who couldn't possibly have
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who have found Deep Space Nine,
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and I find that there are
different pockets of people.
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So, for example, the people who gravitate
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towards my kind of area
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are generally people who
have really found solace
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in Deep Space Nine as an empathetic show,
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a show that really cared
about the little guy.
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And there's also some
interesting tangents in that
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for various communities,
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whether that's the gay
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A lot of people find a
lot of comfort in that,
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and they start very, very young
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because they've got not
much else to look at,
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and so going back to a
show that's clearly spawned
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other iterations of those sort of shows,
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but that was one of the daddies.
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Terry.
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I think, for me,
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when I noticed a difference
in this new incarnation
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of Deep Space Nine's exposure,
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people's exposure to it,
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is that people did come up to me and say,
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"You were my first crush.
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You made me feel like I was normal.
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You made feel like you get me.
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Love is love. It doesn't matter."
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To me, the idea of just loving someone
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no matter how they come,
what the package is...
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What a freaking gift you gave me, Ira,
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to get to play a character
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that really helps the underdog feel seen.
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And I feel like Spock was my
favorite character growing up
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because I felt out of place growing up,
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so he was out of place
and so I was like Spock.
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And then getting to be
on Star Trek was like
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[mimics explosion] Oh, my god!
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I get to try to make
other people who feel like
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"Land of the Misfit Toys" feel like, yeah,
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no, you're good, you belong somewhere.
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And what a really cool place to belong.
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And that's just like,
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wow, we get to live in that.
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When we die, it's still gonna be here.
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We will still be there for
people, and that is just...
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What an amazing gift to have in your life,
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to be a part of something
as big as Star Trek.
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One of the stories that you all told
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that I think is extraordinarily
relevant right now
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is "Far Beyond the Stars,"
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where Avery is thrown back to the 1950s
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and is living as a pulp fiction writer.
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You want me to print it?
Make the captain white!
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That's not what I wrote!
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Ira, would you talk a little bit
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about the creative
process of bringing that
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from inception to screen,
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and if you feel that it is relevant today?
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You know, obviously it's
talking about things
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that are happening in the news.
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There's no getting around that.
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You know, originally-- It was Season 6
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and we were feeling our oats, you know?
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We were feeling good about the show.
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And we had been pitched
an idea about Jake.
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It was a show about Jake,
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who was time-traveling into the past
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where he was a writer
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in the pulp sci-fi world,
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and it turned out it was these aliens.
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You know, a typical Star Trek scenario
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where these aliens wanted to
see how humans interacted,
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and I didn't like it,
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and I said, "We're not gonna do it."
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Then, one day, I remembered
driving home from work
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and suddenly it just kinda laid out to me
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that the idea of if it was Benjamin Sisko,
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he's a black man writing
about a black captain,
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and what would that have
been like in 1953 or '54?
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And then Avery--
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It was Steve Oster, the
supervising producer,
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said, "We have to have Avery.
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We have to move the schedule around
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so that Avery can direct it.
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You know he's gonna want to
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and he's gonna have the passion for it."
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And that was the most intense
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and wonderful time I ever spent,
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those weeks when we did that show.
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I mean, Avery calling my house every night
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before I even got home from the office.
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He was talking to my wife.
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My wife would be picking up,
"Avery, he's not home yet.
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You gotta wait," you know?
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It was a great experience,
watching that show.
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You know, a lot of the things
that he was talking about
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in the episode are little clues to people
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about how they can inform
themselves about the period
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and educate themselves
about Black history.
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He mentions some writers in that episode,
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from Ralph Ellison and
Zora Neale Hurston and
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those kinds of things, W.E.B.
Du Bois, Richard Wright,
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and I would add to that James Baldwin
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and Carter G. Woodson.
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But these are the kinds of material
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that I was starting to
read later on in school,
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so this was an entryway
for me to get to know more
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about culture, our culture.
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His directing preparation,
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what he did on the show to electrify us,
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the kind of passion that
he had for the material
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really translated to the work.
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And all of us, really.
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I mean, I rewatch the episode
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and everybody here, all my colleagues,
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did a fantastic job of stepping outside
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of their traditional characters
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and being unlike their characters
that they normally play.
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I think it was a tribute to all of us
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finding the importance of
telling this particular story,
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and so we all brought
our little bit of A-game
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to make sure that it hit a
home run as well as it did.
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Nana, Major Kira is such
a powerful character,
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and she is the lens through
which we view Bajoran society.
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I have been fighting
for Bajoran independence
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since I was old enough
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We finally drive the Cardassians out,
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and what do our new leaders do?
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They call up the Federation
and invite them right in!
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She is such a complex character.
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Would you talk a bit about
the discovery process
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of seeing just how deep she really goes?
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Yeah, in retrospect, certainly,
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I wouldn't have known the words to use.
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Shellshocked is what
we used in those days.
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But certainly she had
post-traumatic stress.
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I mean, that's like a textbook case of it,
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and her distrust of everyone
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totally came from that.
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Walking around on Paramount
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while we were shooting the pilot helped
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because I had these weird ridges,
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except it was pretty subtle,
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so I get double-, triple-looks
by other people on Paramount
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who weren't aware of the show yet.
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I got those looks too. [laughs]
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Yeah? Well, yeah.
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That was not quite as subtle.
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People thought my marks
were actually tattoos.
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So, you guys know, the
minute people look at you
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and go, "What are you,
what's wrong with you?
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What's up with you? What is that?"
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You are othered, and you feel...
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You feel yourself shutting down
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as if it's not okay, whatever you are,
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or you get defensive
or you get aggressive.
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Major Kira definitely was aggressive,
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especially in the first part of her arc.
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Armin, we've been talking a little bit
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about Nana feeling othered,
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and you and I spoke before we started
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our official sort of
session today about Ferengi.
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And you shared an insight
that has been sitting
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just outside of my peripheral vision
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since Next Generation,
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which is for a lot of
cultures, for a lot of people,
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the Ferengi represent
a culture or a people
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who have been othered.
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And you mentioned to me, around the world,
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the othered culture is different,
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but the impulse, the
emotion, is still the same.
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Were you aware of that
when you were Quark?
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Yes.
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So, just to put some flesh on the bones
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of what Wil just said,
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as conventions took me around the world,
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other cultures have
referred to the Ferengi,
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as Nana was just saying, "the other,"
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the people that are looked down upon
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because they're part of the minority,
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they have a different culture,
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they have a different
way of looking at things.
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One of the great things
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that I feel very proud of
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is to have represented
the other, and one of...
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Yes, perhaps from a human point of view,
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that the Ferengi's morality
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was a little different than the humans.
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But at the same time, Ira and the writers
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were good enough to at times
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give me what I'm sure Terry
would call a Spock speech,
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where I saw things from
our outside point of view,
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and were able to tell
the humans how different
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and how not necessarily
perfect they were either.
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But it is important to depict that,
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and bravo to the powers that be,
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whether it was Michael and
Rick or the writers' room,
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that they gave us that,
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and it is a great tribute to
the originators of the program
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that they allowed an other
to be part of the main group.
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Cirroc, I deeply enjoy the relationship
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between Jake and Nog.
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It reminds me of what I
never had on Next Generation,
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which was a best friend, a confidante,
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a person who was my own age.
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Aron Eisenberg was a friend of mine.
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We worked together in a movie
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before he was cast on Deep Space Nine,
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and I adored him.
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I would love for you to talk a bit
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about the relationship
between Jake and Nog,
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and I'm curious to know if
it was meaningful to you
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to have that connection of someone
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a little closer to your
age when you were, like me,
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the kid around all the adults.
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Aron Eisenberg, the late,
great Aron Eisenberg,
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was a remarkable person.
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He had a big heart and
he was a fine actor.
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And he was one of my
good friends on the show
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and I actually felt a
real kinship with him
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because of the age similarity.
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What I think he represents for me
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is the kind of dream that Dr. King
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was speaking about in his speech,
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which is the unity of children
and the unity of races
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and the embracing of differences,
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and I think that's one
of the important things
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that we represented in the show,
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was the two different
cultures getting together,
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finding common ground,
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accepting each other for who we were,
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and building a friendship.
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And that friendship
lasted throughout the time
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of us filming the show,
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all the way until he
passed away last year.
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And that friendship is what endures,
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and his legacy will always be remembered
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in the work that we did
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and the work that we
continue to do on the podcast
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that he and I started
together, The 7th Rule.
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So I'm really happy that I got a chance
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to get to know Aron as a person
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and get to work alongside him as an actor.
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It was a real blessing.
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We did not just lose
Aron Eisenberg last year.
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We lost Rene Auberjonois as well.
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Rene was such an important
part of Deep Space Nine.
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Maybe we could end today...
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Ira, I would love to start,
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if maybe you all just had a few words
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to memorialize and remember
these two great men
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who we lost in the last year.
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You know, Rene,
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he was a force.
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He had strong opinions and
he backed those opinions up.
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He was very talented. He
could be prickly as hell.
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He could be sweet as hell.
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As an actor, he was a joy to watch,
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and he also gave me his
face at the end of Season 6.
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I was walking down to the
set, he was coming back,
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and he ripped off his mask,
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the last time for a couple
of months, soaking wet,
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and he goes, "Here! A souvenir!"
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And I said, "I'm keeping
this g**damm thing.
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I'm gonna keep it," and it's up there
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in my library to this day.
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So that's what I think
of when I think of Rene.
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Aron...
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Aron. I just wish I could've told him.
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I mean, I just thought he
knew, which was my mistake.
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I just thought the actors
knew how much we loved them,
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because we kept trying
to give 'em great things
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to do all the time.
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So that's how writers say
that they love actors,
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is they try to give them the
best material that they can.
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I just thought he was a funny
guy. He was a sweet guy.
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Later on, in the conventions,
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I got to spend time with
him, more time with him.
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You know, he was...
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I know it's a cliche, but in some ways
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Aron was too good for this
planet that we live on,
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you know, which is why I
think he was taken so young.
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He was just a good,
decent human being, and...
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We miss him. It's easy to miss him.
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Aron was everybody's best friend.
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I mean, whenever I went to a convention
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in some part of the world
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where it was usually Star Trek actors,
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or from other shows that
I don't really know...
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It's no offense to them.
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And I'd want to have
someone to have lunch with,
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I would find Aron and Aron would be there.
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And he was...
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He actively tried to offend you, you know?
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But as a joke.
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As a thing that, he found that
funny, and I found it funny.
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It's a particularly
British sense of humor,
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and he's like, you make fun...
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Setting someone up, as they
used to say in the U.K.
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And I don't think there'll
ever be enough said about Aron.
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He's a sweet, sweet human being.
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He was a sweet human being.
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And Rene I didn't know
very well on the show.
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I didn't do very many scenes with him.
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He was prickly.
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He could be prickly.
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But he would also laugh and
fill a room with his laughter.
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And I will yield the
rest of my time to Nana,
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'cause I knew that he
and Nana were very close.
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The loss of Rene is huge.
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He was a deep friend.
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And he was. He was difficult.
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He was all those things.
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But he was one of the
things I respect most
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that an actor can be:
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he was interested in the
work, constantly fascinated,
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and brought a child's mind
to every aspect of it.
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He cared so deeply,
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and he would get into his flow state
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and it was beautiful to work with him
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and to watch him work.
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Aron was this enormous, huge heart.
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He and I texted all the time.
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The last time we talked
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was two days before he died.
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When I was told that...
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My husband came in and said,
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"I'm so sorry to tell you, Aron died,"
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and I went into denial
like I've never gone.
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And it was about an hour
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before I would let the information in
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that he was gone.
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And, of course, I knew for two years
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that Rene was ill,
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and that was its own journey,
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but I got to take some
of that journey with him,
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of helping him die,
helping him talk about it.
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And it was a very precious thing to me.
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So I got, it's just huge.
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I miss them. I miss them both.
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Terry?
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Oh, gosh. Yeah.
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Both of those relationships
had initial struggles.
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With Rene, he ended up being
like a father figure to me
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and I really cherish the
journey I went on with him,
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because at first I used
to make him so angry.
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I would be like, "Oh, my god!" [laughs]
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And it's amazing how it evolved,
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and it's just a testament to
what a big person he was too,
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and it's just amazing.
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And Aron,
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at first he just drove me nuts
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how he just wouldn't stop,
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like a little, "Ah-la-la-la-la-la!"
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"Shush!"
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But [laughs] he would force
the conversation to be like,
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"Oh, Terry, I'm so sorry, I
didn't mean to upset you,"
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or, "I didn't mean to push you off,"
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or, "I didn't mean to say it like that."
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And then we developed
a really nice rapport
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and could banter with each other.
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It was just the more confident
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that he got that you liked him,
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the more relaxed he was about everything.
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And so, I don't know,
he's just an amazing soul.
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For Aron, to the spirit of Aron
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that is probably here somewhere around us:
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Aron, you must know by now
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that we all loved you.
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And because he was always
concerned about his acting:
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please know, Aron, we respected you.
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You were one of the finest
actors I ever worked with.
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For Rene:
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As Sid said, he was a consummate actor,
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and because my whole
world is about acting,
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that's all I ever really think about.
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I will say that
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I was always in awe of working with Rene.
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And if I have the last word,
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let me leave it with Shakespeare:
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They were men.
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Taken for all in all.
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I shall not look upon their likes again.
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Let's leave it there.
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Thank you all so much.
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It has been an honor and
an incredible privilege
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to spend this time with you today.
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Thank you all so, so much.
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Thank you.
Thank you, Wil.
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Thank you, Wil.
Thank you, Wil.
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I love you, Wil.
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And to everyone at home,
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a reminder that you can revisit
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all of these wonderful people
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on Deep Space Nine on CBS All Access,
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which has every single
episode available to stream.
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And if you're just tuning in,
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oh boy, this whole Star Trek Day event
502
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is happening in support of
our Star Trek United campaign.
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For every person who tweets
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the hashtag #StarTrekUnitedGives,
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to organizations who
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of championing equality, social justice,
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the pursuit of scientific advancements,
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and realizing the dream of Star Trek.
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Everyone, from the bottom of my heart,
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thank you again for taking the time
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to meet with me today.
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I hope you all have a
wonderful Star Trek Day.