WEBVTT 00:20.600 --> 00:22.700 Hello, I'm Sandy stone with startrek.com. 00:22.700 --> 00:25.500 And we're coming to you from CBS Television City 00:25.500 --> 00:26.300 in Hollywood. 00:26.300 --> 00:28.200 This is the first of a whole new series 00:28.200 --> 00:29.800 of exclusive video interviews. 00:29.800 --> 00:30.400 That will be 00:30.400 --> 00:31.100 Ducting 00:31.100 --> 00:32.800 with many of The Luminaries from the Star Trek 00:32.800 --> 00:33.400 world 00:33.400 --> 00:36.400 and celebration of the 40th anniversary of Star Trek 00:36.400 --> 00:38.700 and here in the year 2006 00:38.700 --> 00:39.900 joining us today 00:39.900 --> 00:42.200 is a man who's been no stranger to publicity 00:42.200 --> 00:43.200 lately. 00:43.200 --> 00:45.800 We've known him and admire them for 40 years, 00:45.800 --> 00:47.700 but in just the last few months, 00:47.700 --> 00:50.100 he suddenly found himself as a spokesman 00:50.100 --> 00:52.400 poster child, even for an entire segment of the 00:52.400 --> 00:53.100 population. 00:53.100 --> 00:54.100 So he's going to 00:54.100 --> 00:56.000 he's here to talk with us about that today 00:56.000 --> 00:58.800 and the Myriad other activities that he's currently engaged 00:58.800 --> 00:59.300 in 00:59.300 --> 01:00.400 George Takei. 01:00.400 --> 01:01.800 Thank you very much for joining us 01:01.800 --> 01:03.500 good to be here. 01:03.500 --> 01:04.300 Now. 01:04.300 --> 01:05.200 Obviously, 01:05.200 --> 01:06.900 you know, the big Topic in your life right 01:06.900 --> 01:09.800 now is everybody knows is your public coming out 01:09.800 --> 01:11.100 which 01:11.100 --> 01:14.300 you know, hit the media last October 01:14.300 --> 01:16.400 and it was done in promotion of the play 01:16.400 --> 01:17.200 Equus, 01:17.200 --> 01:18.700 correct? And you were 01:18.700 --> 01:19.900 speaking to 01:19.900 --> 01:21.500 the magazine Frontiers 01:21.500 --> 01:22.900 and then and then it hit just hit the 01:22.900 --> 01:25.000 news like wildfire just became huge. 01:25.000 --> 01:26.400 I remember it was 01:26.400 --> 01:28.800 it almost overshadowed the indictment of scooter Libby at 01:28.800 --> 01:29.900 the time 01:29.900 --> 01:30.400 and 01:30.400 --> 01:32.100 Kind of course they have and then those follow 01:32.100 --> 01:34.100 of course, then you have the inevitable 01:34.100 --> 01:36.800 jokes on late-night TV and and you know message 01:36.800 --> 01:38.800 board comments and and it led to a lot 01:38.800 --> 01:39.800 of guest spots. 01:39.800 --> 01:40.200 Obviously. 01:40.200 --> 01:41.900 We just saw you on Will & Grace last 01:41.900 --> 01:43.500 night and I think it may have had something 01:43.500 --> 01:44.400 to do with your 01:44.400 --> 01:45.900 gig on Howard Stern, 01:45.900 --> 01:46.600 but 01:46.600 --> 01:49.800 could you please just give us your perspective on 01:49.800 --> 01:51.800 you know, how all this attention as effective 01:51.800 --> 01:53.900 has affected you and what you think about it 01:53.900 --> 01:54.700 all 01:54.700 --> 01:59.300 well first of all the term coming out 01:59.300 --> 02:00.300 we've been out my 02:00.300 --> 02:02.800 Partner and I have been up 02:02.800 --> 02:04.000 for a long long time. 02:04.000 --> 02:05.100 We've been together for 02:05.100 --> 02:07.400 practically two decades 02:07.400 --> 02:10.400 out with family and friends and 02:10.400 --> 02:13.400 we support nonprofits and so our names have been 02:13.400 --> 02:14.800 together 02:14.800 --> 02:15.700 carved in 02:15.700 --> 02:16.800 Granite 02:16.800 --> 02:18.300 on donor walls. 02:18.300 --> 02:19.000 So we've been 02:19.000 --> 02:22.500 out in that sense, but obviously because of 02:22.500 --> 02:23.800 the 02:23.800 --> 02:27.600 public nature of my professional career and my 02:27.600 --> 02:31.300 involvement involvement in Civic and 02:31.300 --> 02:32.800 Political activities 02:32.800 --> 02:34.700 I hadn't talked to the press 02:34.700 --> 02:36.300 and that's the difference. 02:36.300 --> 02:37.900 The reason I talk to the press for the 02:37.900 --> 02:40.700 first time last year is 02:40.700 --> 02:43.000 I just happened to be doing that play Equus, 02:43.000 --> 02:46.000 but the primary reason was 02:46.000 --> 02:48.400 the California legislature did 02:48.400 --> 02:48.800 an 02:48.800 --> 02:50.200 astounding thing 02:50.200 --> 02:53.100 and historic thing a landmark thing. 02:53.100 --> 02:56.500 They passed the same-sex marriage bill 02:56.500 --> 02:59.500 and here in California in California. 02:59.500 --> 03:00.300 I really thought 03:00.300 --> 03:03.200 thought that California and Massachusetts were going to become 03:03.200 --> 03:03.800 the 03:03.800 --> 03:05.900 bookends for the United States 03:05.900 --> 03:08.500 and all that was required for that bill to 03:08.500 --> 03:09.300 be 03:09.300 --> 03:12.300 the law of the state was 03:12.300 --> 03:15.500 the autograph of one other actor 03:15.500 --> 03:17.100 who happens to be the governor of 03:17.100 --> 03:19.600 the state of California Arnold Schwarzenegger 03:19.600 --> 03:21.500 and when he ran for office, 03:21.500 --> 03:22.900 he made all these 03:22.900 --> 03:25.300 moderate sounds 03:25.300 --> 03:27.200 he's from the motion picture industry. 03:27.200 --> 03:28.100 He's 03:28.100 --> 03:29.900 worked with gays and lesbians 03:29.900 --> 03:30.400 is 03:30.400 --> 03:31.700 Trouble with them and 03:31.700 --> 03:33.900 you know that cliche phrase some of my best 03:33.900 --> 03:35.200 friends are 03:35.200 --> 03:38.000 and so I thought that he would sign that 03:38.000 --> 03:39.200 bill. 03:39.200 --> 03:41.300 But when he played to the 03:41.300 --> 03:43.700 narrowest most reactionary 03:43.700 --> 03:44.900 segment of his 03:44.900 --> 03:46.100 constituency 03:46.100 --> 03:47.800 and vetoed that bill 03:47.800 --> 03:50.900 I felt that I needed to speak out and 03:50.900 --> 03:52.800 for me to do that my voice had to 03:52.800 --> 03:53.400 be 03:53.400 --> 03:54.500 authentic 03:54.500 --> 03:56.100 and so I spoke to the press for the 03:56.100 --> 03:57.400 first time 03:57.400 --> 03:59.900 and that's when it all and I happen to 03:59.900 --> 04:00.300 be doing. 04:00.300 --> 04:02.700 The play Equus at the same time so they 04:02.700 --> 04:04.900 combined, you know, it was 04:04.900 --> 04:06.300 the to and thought it was 04:06.300 --> 04:08.100 great publicity for 04:08.100 --> 04:09.800 Equus, which it was 04:09.800 --> 04:10.900 but 04:10.900 --> 04:14.700 the same sex marriage bills veto by Arnold Schwarzenegger 04:14.700 --> 04:17.100 was my reason for talking to the press. 04:17.100 --> 04:17.500 Okay. 04:17.500 --> 04:19.300 Well, how about how do you feel about I 04:19.300 --> 04:20.800 mean, why do you think people 04:20.800 --> 04:22.700 are so interested in this? 04:22.700 --> 04:25.000 What what why do you think they're so intrigued 04:25.000 --> 04:26.200 by the fact that you know, mr. 04:26.200 --> 04:28.200 Sulu so to speak is gay. 04:28.200 --> 04:28.600 Well, mr. 04:28.600 --> 04:29.800 Sulu is not 04:29.800 --> 04:30.300 true. 04:30.300 --> 04:32.700 George Takei as 04:32.700 --> 04:35.100 I think 04:35.100 --> 04:36.500 sexuality 04:36.500 --> 04:37.300 is 04:37.300 --> 04:39.700 of interest to the people, you know sex is 04:39.700 --> 04:40.700 a primal 04:40.700 --> 04:41.800 Instinct 04:41.800 --> 04:45.600 and that's why magazines like people or 04:45.600 --> 04:47.200 Enquirer, you know 04:47.200 --> 04:48.400 like that but 04:48.400 --> 04:51.600 Publications like that so well because people are interested 04:51.600 --> 04:54.700 in people's sexual 04:54.700 --> 04:56.100 activities or 04:56.100 --> 04:58.100 relations, right right 04:58.100 --> 04:59.000 and 04:59.000 --> 05:02.800 for you know, and they thought because I played 05:02.800 --> 05:03.800 Sulu 05:03.800 --> 05:04.900 as 05:04.900 --> 05:06.900 The sexual guy 05:06.900 --> 05:08.100 that 05:08.100 --> 05:10.100 you know in the actor that's playing him is 05:10.100 --> 05:10.700 gay 05:10.700 --> 05:12.600 that is 05:12.600 --> 05:13.400 Newton's 05:13.400 --> 05:15.400 and so that's why I think there's been this 05:15.400 --> 05:16.400 great play 05:16.400 --> 05:18.300 about that. 05:18.300 --> 05:18.600 Certainly. 05:18.600 --> 05:21.100 Not the first I mean Ian McKellen, that's right. 05:21.100 --> 05:22.600 I believe Sean Hayes. 05:22.600 --> 05:23.500 Well, 05:23.500 --> 05:25.000 let's rock Hudson, 05:25.000 --> 05:25.900 you know 05:25.900 --> 05:30.000 leading mad. 05:30.000 --> 05:32.500 The heartthrob for women right right 05:32.500 --> 05:33.800 turns out to be 05:33.800 --> 05:35.300 you know gay 05:35.300 --> 05:36.100 and 05:36.100 --> 05:36.700 this year. 05:36.700 --> 05:38.500 We've had 05:38.500 --> 05:41.300 Academy award-nominated performances 05:41.300 --> 05:42.900 where Straight actors 05:42.900 --> 05:44.400 have played gay 05:44.400 --> 05:45.400 characters 05:45.400 --> 05:47.700 Heath Ledger was 05:47.700 --> 05:52.200 Heartbreaking wrenching, you know, the contained anguish that 05:52.200 --> 05:53.900 he played a man of few words. 05:53.900 --> 05:54.900 And then on the 05:54.900 --> 05:56.400 other hand 05:56.400 --> 05:58.100 Philip Seymour Hoffman 05:58.100 --> 05:59.800 as Truman Capote 05:59.800 --> 06:03.700 was very out and very Faye and very 06:03.700 --> 06:07.000 obviously gay and quite eccentric 06:07.000 --> 06:07.900 and then 06:07.900 --> 06:09.500 Felicity Huffman 06:09.500 --> 06:10.100 playing 06:10.100 --> 06:11.900 a trans 06:11.900 --> 06:14.600 transexual in transition 06:14.600 --> 06:15.200 and 06:15.200 --> 06:18.000 and how she artfully 06:18.000 --> 06:19.100 Played that 06:19.100 --> 06:19.400 the 06:19.400 --> 06:22.100 both the anguish and the anxiety 06:22.100 --> 06:24.200 and the sense of liberation 06:24.200 --> 06:26.200 of playing that character, you know, 06:26.200 --> 06:27.900 it was a brilliant performance. 06:27.900 --> 06:29.000 Do you believe that 06:29.000 --> 06:31.300 barriers are being broken down? I'm 06:31.300 --> 06:32.900 legitimately or do you think that this is just 06:32.900 --> 06:36.500 something that that you know is sort of passing 06:36.500 --> 06:37.700 in other words you do you believe that the 06:37.700 --> 06:39.900 actual progress is being made toward 06:39.900 --> 06:41.700 understanding of 06:41.700 --> 06:44.900 people who are gay and transsexual and bisexual. 06:44.900 --> 06:47.400 Well, I think of the time 06:47.400 --> 06:50.500 When I was a teenager. 06:50.500 --> 06:52.900 it was 06:52.900 --> 06:54.500 An anguishing time, 06:54.500 --> 06:55.800 you know because 06:55.800 --> 06:59.700 then there's that Dawning realization that 06:59.700 --> 07:01.600 my home hormones react in 07:01.600 --> 07:02.800 a certain way, 07:02.800 --> 07:05.400 but that's not 07:05.400 --> 07:06.600 normal. 07:06.600 --> 07:08.700 And when you're a teenager 07:08.700 --> 07:09.800 the 07:09.800 --> 07:13.200 need to belong is so great 07:13.200 --> 07:16.400 that you do everything to be as 07:16.400 --> 07:18.200 much a part of 07:18.200 --> 07:20.400 the gang as possible. 07:20.400 --> 07:22.800 And so, you know your date girls and you 07:22.800 --> 07:24.900 do all the things but 07:24.900 --> 07:27.000 inside you know that you know, 07:27.000 --> 07:28.700 your real interests 07:28.700 --> 07:30.400 are different 07:30.400 --> 07:32.600 you go to a magazine stand when no one's 07:32.600 --> 07:33.300 there 07:33.300 --> 07:34.100 and you look at the 07:34.100 --> 07:35.300 muscle magazines 07:35.300 --> 07:36.600 and when someone comes you 07:36.600 --> 07:39.000 grab a girlie magazine and stick it in that, 07:39.000 --> 07:39.500 you know 07:39.500 --> 07:40.900 to disguise 07:40.900 --> 07:42.500 last year 07:42.500 --> 07:43.800 Time Magazine and 07:43.800 --> 07:47.100 national news magazine had on its cover 07:47.100 --> 07:48.600 gay teenagers 07:48.600 --> 07:49.400 and issue 07:49.400 --> 07:51.200 devoted to gay teenagers 07:51.200 --> 07:52.600 and the gist of 07:52.600 --> 07:53.400 that article 07:53.400 --> 07:55.100 of that coverage 07:55.100 --> 07:56.600 was 07:56.600 --> 07:59.800 being gay is no big thing with teenagers 07:59.800 --> 08:01.800 and just my lifetime 08:01.800 --> 08:03.900 That Kind of Night and Day 08:03.900 --> 08:04.600 difference. 08:04.600 --> 08:06.900 So yes, we are making progress. 08:06.900 --> 08:08.400 We are making 08:08.400 --> 08:09.800 no forward movement. 08:09.800 --> 08:11.700 However, when 08:11.700 --> 08:13.400 forward movement is made 08:13.400 --> 08:15.800 there's always the backlash 08:15.800 --> 08:17.900 and what we are experiencing now 08:17.900 --> 08:19.200 are 08:19.200 --> 08:21.700 these again these reactionaries 08:21.700 --> 08:22.700 that 08:22.700 --> 08:24.400 Are advocating 08:24.400 --> 08:25.900 bills 08:25.900 --> 08:27.500 to be added to 08:27.500 --> 08:29.500 the Constitution of the United States 08:29.500 --> 08:32.200 and various states have 08:32.200 --> 08:35.100 movement to add an amendment to 08:35.100 --> 08:37.000 their state constitutions 08:37.000 --> 08:39.900 and they're calling it and defensive marriage or 08:39.900 --> 08:41.300 in 08:41.300 --> 08:43.200 protecting marriage. 08:43.200 --> 08:45.500 Now, let's really look at 08:45.500 --> 08:47.200 that issue. 08:47.200 --> 08:49.900 The core value of marriage 08:49.900 --> 08:51.100 is two people 08:51.100 --> 08:52.600 who love each other. 08:52.600 --> 08:54.900 Who take responsibility for each other 08:54.900 --> 08:56.600 and who care for each other? 08:56.600 --> 08:58.400 That's what marriage is about 08:58.400 --> 09:00.700 and if these people who feel that their heterosexual 09:00.700 --> 09:04.800 marriage have to be defended and protected 09:04.800 --> 09:07.400 if they feel that their marriage is that fragile, 09:07.400 --> 09:09.100 there's something wrong there 09:09.100 --> 09:11.100 and when you really look at 09:11.100 --> 09:13.100 you know, 09:13.100 --> 09:13.800 Marriage 09:13.800 --> 09:15.400 between 09:15.400 --> 09:15.500 a 09:15.500 --> 09:16.000 man 09:16.000 --> 09:17.700 a man and a woman 09:17.700 --> 09:20.400 we have 50% divorce rates. 09:20.400 --> 09:21.700 We have 09:21.700 --> 09:22.700 lying 09:22.700 --> 09:23.700 cheating 09:23.700 --> 09:24.900 infidelity 09:24.900 --> 09:25.800 abuse. 09:25.800 --> 09:27.700 That's not marriage. 09:27.700 --> 09:29.100 It may be man and woman, 09:29.100 --> 09:31.600 but that is not marriage perhaps that's what they 09:31.600 --> 09:32.900 need to work on first be 09:32.900 --> 09:34.600 exactly that 09:34.600 --> 09:36.800 and what we are doing is we're strengthening the 09:36.800 --> 09:38.100 basic concept 09:38.100 --> 09:39.700 of marriage by 09:39.700 --> 09:41.800 advocating same-sex marriage 09:41.800 --> 09:42.500 and you 09:42.500 --> 09:44.400 The quality people. 09:44.400 --> 09:46.000 I mean families 09:46.000 --> 09:46.900 couples 09:46.900 --> 09:48.900 need to have a sense of 09:48.900 --> 09:50.900 stability and security 09:50.900 --> 09:52.000 and 09:52.000 --> 09:53.400 for example 09:53.400 --> 09:57.400 pension benefit insurance benefits that they 09:57.400 --> 10:00.100 normal marriages share that 10:00.100 --> 10:01.600 and 10:01.600 --> 10:04.600 if the couple happens to be a committed same-sex 10:04.600 --> 10:05.400 couple 10:05.400 --> 10:07.900 they should be able to share that as well. 10:07.900 --> 10:11.400 So what we're talking about is equality, 10:11.400 --> 10:12.400 which is in the 10:12.400 --> 10:13.300 classic 10:13.300 --> 10:15.200 tradition of the United States 10:15.200 --> 10:17.200 American democratic tradition 10:17.200 --> 10:19.000 equality for all you know, when you 10:19.000 --> 10:21.100 look at the large picture 10:21.100 --> 10:24.200 it when this nation was founded on the principle 10:24.200 --> 10:26.200 of justice and equality 10:26.200 --> 10:29.800 those great men who articulated those ideals 10:29.800 --> 10:32.500 kept other human beings as slaves 10:32.500 --> 10:37.100 but over the years because people struggled for equality 10:37.100 --> 10:38.700 we have now today 10:38.700 --> 10:40.400 the descendants of slaves 10:40.400 --> 10:42.400 African Americans in the halls of 10:42.400 --> 10:43.700 Congress 10:43.700 --> 10:45.100 as legislators 10:45.100 --> 10:49.200 to African Americans have become Secretary of State 10:49.200 --> 10:52.500 when this nation was founded. 10:52.500 --> 10:54.600 There was no place for women 10:54.600 --> 10:56.500 in the institutions of America, 10:56.500 --> 11:00.700 but because determined women and fair minded men 11:00.700 --> 11:01.700 debated 11:01.700 --> 11:05.700 challenged and campaigned and marched for equal rights for 11:05.700 --> 11:06.700 women, 11:06.700 --> 11:08.400 we have now 11:08.400 --> 11:11.900 women CEOs women astronauts. 11:11.900 --> 11:14.300 So, you know, we're making progress 11:14.300 --> 11:16.900 on the basic fundamental idea of 11:16.900 --> 11:18.300 American democracy 11:18.300 --> 11:20.900 and that's what this movement is all about. 11:20.900 --> 11:21.500 Okay, 11:21.500 --> 11:22.600 essentially. 11:22.600 --> 11:23.300 The 11:23.300 --> 11:25.000 to expand 11:25.000 --> 11:27.800 the fundamental ideals of American democracy 11:27.800 --> 11:28.800 step by step. 11:28.800 --> 11:29.000 Now. 11:29.000 --> 11:31.900 You're about to start a speaking tour 11:31.900 --> 11:33.800 in several cities on behalf of the Human Rights 11:33.800 --> 11:34.400 Campaign. 11:34.400 --> 11:36.000 Would you like to talk about that? 11:36.000 --> 11:37.200 Well, essentially 11:37.200 --> 11:38.700 what I just I just 11:38.700 --> 11:40.000 shared with you. 11:40.000 --> 11:41.200 I'll be 11:41.200 --> 11:42.700 speaking at various 11:42.700 --> 11:45.600 University campuses 11:45.600 --> 11:46.300 on 11:46.300 --> 11:47.600 the issue of 11:47.600 --> 11:48.600 equality 11:48.600 --> 11:49.600 for 11:49.600 --> 11:51.400 gays lesbians 11:51.400 --> 11:52.400 bisexuals. 11:52.400 --> 11:54.200 Transgender 11:54.200 --> 11:56.200 I'll be covering six cities 11:56.200 --> 11:56.700 in 11:56.700 --> 11:57.800 the month of April. 11:57.800 --> 11:58.600 So 11:58.600 --> 12:00.800 April is going to be a fully packed 12:00.800 --> 12:01.100 month. 12:01.100 --> 12:02.400 And then I'm going to squeeze in a few 12:02.400 --> 12:04.800 Star Trek conventions 12:04.800 --> 12:06.700 one in 12:06.700 --> 12:07.900 leave Los Alamos 12:07.900 --> 12:10.800 Los Alamos and to be there on April 15th. 12:10.800 --> 12:12.900 Oh, well, you know my schedule and I 12:12.900 --> 12:15.800 look up your website George Takei taka 12:15.800 --> 12:16.500 the last week. 12:16.500 --> 12:17.700 I was in 12:17.700 --> 12:18.800 Long Island 12:18.800 --> 12:19.700 at Stony Brook. 12:19.700 --> 12:20.700 So 12:20.700 --> 12:22.400 it's April is 12:22.400 --> 12:24.400 A very very fully packed month. 12:24.400 --> 12:24.700 Okay. 12:24.700 --> 12:25.500 Well, we collect 12:25.500 --> 12:26.800 taxes. 12:26.800 --> 12:28.000 You got those done yet. 12:28.000 --> 12:30.100 I have okay with a schedule like this. 12:30.100 --> 12:32.000 You got to do things early gotta think I 12:32.000 --> 12:33.500 can advance. 12:33.500 --> 12:35.100 Let me ask real quick what 12:35.100 --> 12:36.900 since 12:36.900 --> 12:38.400 you know, all this news hit the media in 12:38.400 --> 12:39.200 the last few months. 12:39.200 --> 12:40.200 What kind of 12:40.200 --> 12:43.000 feedback have you gotten from people 12:43.000 --> 12:45.100 first from the from the population at large, but 12:45.100 --> 12:47.800 also specifically from the Star Trek Community. 12:47.800 --> 12:48.900 Well 12:48.900 --> 12:51.400 my partner and I talked about, you know the 12:51.400 --> 12:52.500 potential. 12:52.500 --> 12:53.800 The feedback and 12:53.800 --> 12:55.000 backlash 12:55.000 --> 12:55.900 and we were 12:55.900 --> 12:58.200 we are loins are girded for 12:58.200 --> 12:59.800 that backlash 12:59.800 --> 13:01.100 and 13:01.100 --> 13:03.900 it was really a pleasant surprise 13:03.900 --> 13:06.600 the overwhelming number of 13:06.600 --> 13:08.000 both the 13:08.000 --> 13:13.000 phone calls and mail and email and personal 13:13.000 --> 13:14.000 comments 13:14.000 --> 13:17.100 were overwhelmingly positive and supportive. 13:17.100 --> 13:19.200 I would say about 95% 13:19.200 --> 13:21.100 And of course there is that 13:21.100 --> 13:22.600 five percent. 13:22.600 --> 13:25.600 A negative he did to kind of 13:25.600 --> 13:27.300 email and interestingly 13:27.300 --> 13:28.900 they were almost all 13:28.900 --> 13:29.900 Anonymous. 13:29.900 --> 13:31.400 Okay, you know hate mail 13:31.400 --> 13:32.900 and 13:32.900 --> 13:34.400 I think they 13:34.400 --> 13:36.600 pretty much give themselves away because of the 13:36.600 --> 13:38.300 crude language 13:38.300 --> 13:40.100 and the inarticulate 13:40.100 --> 13:43.100 expression of their ideas into the vulgarity a 13:43.100 --> 13:43.800 you know, 13:43.800 --> 13:44.500 and the 13:44.500 --> 13:48.900 the the letters that were supportive were some were 13:48.900 --> 13:50.900 moving 13:50.900 --> 13:52.500 gays lesbians who 13:52.500 --> 13:53.000 Out 13:53.000 --> 13:55.400 and shared with me the 13:55.400 --> 13:55.900 the 13:55.900 --> 13:59.100 pain and anguish that they lived through and how 13:59.100 --> 14:01.400 grateful they are that 14:01.400 --> 14:03.900 someone who is as visible as I am 14:03.900 --> 14:06.100 would 14:06.100 --> 14:07.300 talk to the press 14:07.300 --> 14:08.700 and be open 14:08.700 --> 14:10.400 about my sexuality. 14:10.400 --> 14:11.900 It helps open the doors for other people. 14:11.900 --> 14:15.200 That's right, but the other more interesting 14:15.200 --> 14:16.300 kinds of 14:16.300 --> 14:19.600 letters I got were people who identify themselves 14:19.600 --> 14:22.300 as straight male married. 14:22.300 --> 14:24.700 Suburban Republicans, 14:24.700 --> 14:26.200 but after having heard 14:26.200 --> 14:28.200 my discussion of the topic 14:28.200 --> 14:29.900 they're willing to support it. 14:29.900 --> 14:32.500 And these this kind of letter came from places 14:32.500 --> 14:33.000 like 14:33.000 --> 14:33.900 Oklahoma, 14:33.900 --> 14:34.800 Nebraska 14:34.800 --> 14:36.300 Minnesota 14:36.300 --> 14:37.800 were and 14:37.800 --> 14:42.600 Pennsylvania where they have 14:42.600 --> 14:43.700 a bill that 14:43.700 --> 14:47.000 is going to amend their state constitution 14:47.000 --> 14:48.200 to ban 14:48.200 --> 14:49.500 same-sex marriage. 14:49.500 --> 14:52.400 I mean to work into the Constitution 14:52.400 --> 14:53.200 Shouldn't 14:53.200 --> 14:56.500 hate and and Division. 14:56.500 --> 14:58.800 I think it's despicable. 14:58.800 --> 14:59.500 Okay, 14:59.500 --> 15:00.600 keep working at it. 15:00.600 --> 15:03.200 You've got several appearances coming up throughout the year. 15:03.200 --> 15:04.800 You have actually later this month. 15:04.800 --> 15:05.700 You're going to be at 15:05.700 --> 15:08.600 Star Fest convention in Denver 15:08.600 --> 15:09.700 next month in May. 15:09.700 --> 15:12.000 You're going to be at in Germany at fedcon. 15:12.000 --> 15:14.900 I should call you 15:14.900 --> 15:17.900 can confirm with freaking tell me where I go. 15:17.900 --> 15:19.600 You'll be at the creation convention in Vegas, which 15:19.600 --> 15:21.600 is the really big Star Trek convention 15:21.600 --> 15:22.300 in August. 15:22.300 --> 15:24.100 and then you'll be in Seattle for the planet 15:24.100 --> 15:24.800 Expo 15:24.800 --> 15:26.700 convention, which is going to take place the actual 15:26.700 --> 15:28.100 weekend of the 15:28.100 --> 15:29.500 vetiver Terry 15:29.500 --> 15:30.500 the first 15:30.500 --> 15:32.300 airing of Star Trek 15:32.300 --> 15:34.100 or nine years old exactly 15:34.100 --> 15:36.000 and I'm sure a lot of fans are 15:36.000 --> 15:36.600 going to 15:36.600 --> 15:37.100 you know, 15:37.100 --> 15:39.000 look forward to seeing you and 15:39.000 --> 15:40.400 because I think many of them will want to 15:40.400 --> 15:43.900 congratulate you for your your courage and your conviction, 15:43.900 --> 15:46.000 but you also I mean you've also 15:46.000 --> 15:48.600 spoke a great deal about, 15:48.600 --> 15:51.200 you know, being an Asian-American 15:51.200 --> 15:52.600 next month you have 15:52.600 --> 15:54.200 Documentary, which I 15:54.200 --> 15:55.200 guess you've already 15:55.200 --> 15:56.100 completed work on. 15:56.100 --> 15:57.600 What's your you've 15:57.600 --> 16:00.700 you're narrating a documentary about called Crossing East? Right? 16:00.700 --> 16:02.300 And it's about the Asian American Experience. 16:02.300 --> 16:04.200 I believe right? It's 16:04.200 --> 16:07.300 the Story begins with the coming of the immigrants 16:07.300 --> 16:08.400 from Asia 16:08.400 --> 16:09.500 and 16:09.500 --> 16:12.200 the their trials and tribulations 16:12.200 --> 16:13.700 of the Immigrant generation 16:13.700 --> 16:15.000 and then 16:15.000 --> 16:17.600 subsequent Generations here in America 16:17.600 --> 16:19.000 interestingly, you know, 16:19.000 --> 16:20.000 the 16:20.000 --> 16:22.300 issue of immigration is 16:22.300 --> 16:27.600 On our Pages now again, but when Asian started 16:27.600 --> 16:29.900 coming to this country as immigrants and that was 16:29.900 --> 16:33.300 in the middle of the 19th century about 1850 16:33.300 --> 16:36.800 people get started coming from China and then from 16:36.800 --> 16:38.600 Japan about 1880. 16:38.600 --> 16:42.000 They were the only ones that were singled out 16:42.000 --> 16:45.800 in a every immigrant coming from any part of 16:45.800 --> 16:51.100 the world could eventually aspire to become naturalized American 16:51.100 --> 16:52.300 citizens. 16:52.300 --> 16:52.800 That 16:52.800 --> 16:54.700 immigrants coming from Asia. 16:54.700 --> 16:56.600 They were the only ones 16:56.600 --> 16:59.200 denied naturalized citizenship. 16:59.200 --> 17:01.000 And then 17:01.000 --> 17:03.100 first it was State the state of California in 17:03.100 --> 17:04.000 1912. 17:04.000 --> 17:05.700 I think and then 17:05.700 --> 17:07.600 Oregon and in 17:07.600 --> 17:10.100 state of Washington and even far off 17:10.100 --> 17:11.000 Florida 17:11.000 --> 17:14.300 past what they called the alien land law. 17:14.300 --> 17:15.500 It said 17:15.500 --> 17:17.200 that 17:17.200 --> 17:21.100 land cannot be bought by in quotes 17:21.100 --> 17:22.200 aliens in LA. 17:22.200 --> 17:22.900 Legible 17:22.900 --> 17:24.800 for naturalization. 17:24.800 --> 17:27.300 There was no mention of Asians, 17:27.300 --> 17:29.200 but the only 17:29.200 --> 17:32.100 aliens in eligible for naturalization 17:32.100 --> 17:33.600 where Asian immigrants 17:33.600 --> 17:34.800 so 17:34.800 --> 17:36.200 immigrants from Asia 17:36.200 --> 17:38.900 were summarily denied 17:38.900 --> 17:41.300 land ownership and you know the Japanese were into 17:41.300 --> 17:42.100 farming 17:42.100 --> 17:43.700 and they wanted to buy 17:43.700 --> 17:45.400 the land that they developed 17:45.400 --> 17:47.900 and so 17:47.900 --> 17:49.200 Crossing least 17:49.200 --> 17:53.200 talks about the history of 17:53.200 --> 17:56.200 The Asian American Experience in this country 17:56.200 --> 17:58.500 and it's an eight hour documentary. 17:58.500 --> 18:00.500 It will be airing on public radio stations around 18:00.500 --> 18:01.100 the country. 18:01.100 --> 18:02.100 That's right front ones 18:02.100 --> 18:02.800 starting in May. 18:02.800 --> 18:03.800 I believe that's right. 18:03.800 --> 18:06.400 So people just had a is considered Asian American 18:06.400 --> 18:07.400 Heritage Month. 18:07.400 --> 18:07.900 Hmm. 18:07.900 --> 18:08.500 Okay, 18:08.500 --> 18:10.900 so people should look out for that 18:10.900 --> 18:12.900 but also something that's coming up is you are 18:12.900 --> 18:13.500 going to be playing. 18:13.500 --> 18:13.700 Mr. 18:13.700 --> 18:14.600 Sulu again. 18:14.600 --> 18:15.600 Yes, right 18:15.600 --> 18:16.300 tell us about that. 18:16.300 --> 18:17.700 Isn't that amazing? 18:17.700 --> 18:18.200 You know, 18:18.200 --> 18:21.200 I've quit predicting what 18:21.200 --> 18:22.200 new twists and turns 18:22.200 --> 18:24.200 Turns a Star Trek is going to take 18:24.200 --> 18:27.400 because when we were canceled it back in 1969 18:27.400 --> 18:28.100 before 18:28.100 --> 18:31.700 most of the fans today were born. 18:31.700 --> 18:33.500 You know, I thought well, you know, we did 18:33.500 --> 18:34.000 good work. 18:34.000 --> 18:35.700 We're proud of what we did 18:35.700 --> 18:38.400 but this happens in show business all the time, 18:38.400 --> 18:40.200 you know plays close 18:40.200 --> 18:43.600 movies wrap and series get cancelled. 18:43.600 --> 18:45.400 And so we're going to move on 18:45.400 --> 18:47.900 but then when it went into syndication 18:47.900 --> 18:51.400 talk started of a Revival of Star Trek 18:51.400 --> 18:52.300 and we thought 18:52.300 --> 18:53.400 Well, 18:53.400 --> 18:54.600 you know that's 18:54.600 --> 18:56.700 pretty wistful thinking 18:56.700 --> 18:59.800 and then we were revived as an animated series 18:59.800 --> 19:00.900 and we did the voice 19:00.900 --> 19:02.400 for our characters 19:02.400 --> 19:05.500 and then they started talking about well, maybe not 19:05.500 --> 19:07.000 the series but 19:07.000 --> 19:08.500 a movie of the month 19:08.500 --> 19:10.600 and that faded 19:10.600 --> 19:12.600 and then Star Wars 19:12.600 --> 19:15.700 was released and it exploded at the box office. 19:15.700 --> 19:17.500 And so 19:17.500 --> 19:19.200 a Star Trek movie was going to be made 19:19.200 --> 19:20.800 but it was going to be just one 19:20.800 --> 19:22.900 film. 19:22.900 --> 19:23.500 It 19:23.500 --> 19:25.500 that to exploded at the box office. 19:25.500 --> 19:28.100 And so we became a series of movies. 19:28.100 --> 19:30.600 And then of course the series of conventions are 19:30.600 --> 19:33.300 into this incredible phenomenon, and 19:33.300 --> 19:35.400 and I maintain that this 19:35.400 --> 19:36.800 you know, 19:36.800 --> 19:37.600 the 19:37.600 --> 19:39.000 show itself 19:39.000 --> 19:41.800 Star Trek was created by Gene Roddenberry, 19:41.800 --> 19:44.700 but the phenomenon of Star Trek was created by 19:44.700 --> 19:46.100 the fans. 19:46.100 --> 19:49.400 It's a fans that made these conventions possible. 19:49.400 --> 19:51.900 It's the fans supported the movies at the box 19:51.900 --> 19:52.600 office. 19:52.600 --> 19:54.400 And gave us that kind of life 19:54.400 --> 19:56.500 and it's a fans that 19:56.500 --> 19:59.200 to some extent as supported our children 19:59.200 --> 20:00.300 the spin-off series. 20:00.300 --> 20:01.000 However, 20:01.000 --> 20:02.900 I consider them our children. 20:02.900 --> 20:04.600 And 20:04.600 --> 20:06.200 now this 20:06.200 --> 20:09.400 most recent transmogrification that 20:09.400 --> 20:12.500 Star Trek is going to be made available 20:12.500 --> 20:13.900 by webcasting 20:13.900 --> 20:15.600 on your computers 20:15.600 --> 20:16.500 and 20:16.500 --> 20:18.800 it is being produced by 20:18.800 --> 20:20.200 fans 20:20.200 --> 20:22.700 amateur fans. 20:22.700 --> 20:25.000 Gab the money for it 20:25.000 --> 20:28.400 James Colley an amazing. 20:28.400 --> 20:30.600 I think insane 20:30.600 --> 20:32.800 but absolutely Relentless 20:32.800 --> 20:34.200 amateur fan, 20:34.200 --> 20:35.200 but 20:35.200 --> 20:37.800 professionals who are fans of Star Trek also are 20:37.800 --> 20:39.100 participating 20:39.100 --> 20:40.400 the script 20:40.400 --> 20:42.300 that I'm going to be doing called 20:42.300 --> 20:44.400 World enough and time 20:44.400 --> 20:45.900 is written by 20:45.900 --> 20:50.000 Mark zycree and Michael Reaves both of whom have 20:50.000 --> 20:50.900 written for 20:50.900 --> 20:52.200 Star Trek as 20:52.200 --> 20:55.000 As for Battlestar Galactica 20:55.000 --> 20:57.700 people that are professionals 20:57.700 --> 20:58.900 with Star Trek. 20:58.900 --> 21:00.100 And with the 21:00.100 --> 21:02.800 Battlestar Galactica are going to be working on the 21:02.800 --> 21:04.500 special effects around more 21:04.500 --> 21:05.300 on be more. 21:05.300 --> 21:07.500 Yes, the special visual effects 21:07.500 --> 21:08.400 supervisor. 21:08.400 --> 21:09.400 So, you know, 21:09.400 --> 21:12.700 it's a combination of the fans and professionals working 21:12.700 --> 21:14.000 together in concert 21:14.000 --> 21:15.400 that's going to make this 21:15.400 --> 21:16.800 latest 21:16.800 --> 21:20.900 version of the platform of Star Trek available online 21:20.900 --> 21:21.600 for free 21:21.600 --> 21:22.200 for free. 21:22.200 --> 21:23.300 It cost anybody 21:23.300 --> 21:24.500 is that amazing 21:24.500 --> 21:25.900 that the URL is 21:25.900 --> 21:27.600 Star Trek new voyages.com. 21:27.600 --> 21:28.900 Now 21:28.900 --> 21:30.100 you're going to be shooting this I believe in 21:30.100 --> 21:30.500 September. 21:30.500 --> 21:31.800 Is that correct? We 21:31.800 --> 21:34.300 shoot it in the September and it'll be probably 21:34.300 --> 21:37.200 webcast around 21:37.200 --> 21:38.200 early 9 21:38.200 --> 21:40.200 2007 early next year. 21:40.200 --> 21:40.700 Yes. 21:40.700 --> 21:42.300 So keep an eye out for that. 21:42.300 --> 21:44.600 So let's let's turn to some Star Trek Nostalgia. 21:44.600 --> 21:46.000 Let's talk about some of the old days. 21:46.000 --> 21:46.700 Okay. 21:46.700 --> 21:47.800 It was 21:47.800 --> 21:50.300 probably a little over 40 years ago that you 21:50.300 --> 21:52.300 were cast in the second pilot of the 21:52.300 --> 21:54.700 Called where no man has gone before 21:54.700 --> 21:56.800 now you started out as a physicist the originally 21:56.800 --> 21:58.300 conceived you as being 21:58.300 --> 21:59.400 the physics expert 21:59.400 --> 22:00.200 on the ship 22:00.200 --> 22:00.700 and 22:00.700 --> 22:02.700 but then when they got into the regular shooting 22:02.700 --> 22:04.500 of the show, you became a Helmsman. 22:04.500 --> 22:06.100 Do you recall how that change in your role 22:06.100 --> 22:07.300 came about? 22:07.300 --> 22:09.400 Well, I think it's 22:09.400 --> 22:13.000 wisdom and good taste on the part of 22:13.000 --> 22:14.300 the 22:14.300 --> 22:17.900 powers that be with the both NBC and 22:17.900 --> 22:19.800 desilu 22:19.800 --> 22:22.100 the physicists would be downstairs. 22:22.100 --> 22:23.000 There's hmm. 22:23.000 --> 22:24.700 And a lot of the 22:24.700 --> 22:26.700 shows 22:26.700 --> 22:29.900 scenes take place on the bridge of the Enterprise 22:29.900 --> 22:32.200 and a physicist would not be up there on 22:32.200 --> 22:33.100 the bridge. 22:33.100 --> 22:36.500 So they said let that's an interesting character Sulu 22:36.500 --> 22:38.600 and the actor that plays them is 22:38.600 --> 22:40.200 absolutely riveting it 22:40.200 --> 22:41.300 we should 22:41.300 --> 22:42.600 see him more 22:42.600 --> 22:44.500 and so why don't we make him a Helmsman 22:44.500 --> 22:45.300 and put them 22:45.300 --> 22:47.500 right there on the bridge where we see him 22:47.500 --> 22:50.000 smack dad and front of the camera 22:50.000 --> 22:51.300 Ryan from the captain 22:51.300 --> 22:53.500 good days. 22:53.500 --> 22:54.200 This is 22:54.200 --> 22:55.500 good. 22:55.500 --> 22:57.300 Well starting out when you were doing where no 22:57.300 --> 22:58.800 man has gone before 22:58.800 --> 23:01.300 did you just see this as a temporary or 23:01.300 --> 23:02.200 fly-by-night job. 23:02.200 --> 23:04.200 Do you did you did anybody have any inkling 23:04.200 --> 23:05.200 at the time 23:05.200 --> 23:06.500 that we'd be talking about this 23:06.500 --> 23:09.900 40 years later. 23:09.900 --> 23:11.300 Forty years later two years later. 23:11.300 --> 23:11.600 We're still 23:11.600 --> 23:12.100 talking about it. 23:12.100 --> 23:15.100 Well on that question your honor because 23:15.100 --> 23:16.700 I'm a Visionary 23:16.700 --> 23:17.800 back in 23:17.800 --> 23:18.800 the year 23:18.800 --> 23:21.500 1965 when we shot that 23:21.500 --> 23:23.000 I said 23:23.000 --> 23:26.600 41 years from now and the 21st century. 23:26.600 --> 23:28.600 I will be talking about 23:28.600 --> 23:30.500 this phenomenon of Star Trek. 23:30.500 --> 23:31.000 Yes. 23:31.000 --> 23:32.000 I'm a Visionary. 23:32.000 --> 23:34.600 I said that way back in 65 Tommy since 23:34.600 --> 23:37.300 it isn't that bad for you would 23:37.300 --> 23:38.700 and you have some history here 23:38.700 --> 23:40.000 I do I do. 23:40.000 --> 23:41.200 When I walked into 23:41.200 --> 23:41.500 my 23:41.500 --> 23:43.600 into this complex here I said, 23:43.600 --> 23:48.000 this is where I did Playhouse 90 back in 23:48.000 --> 23:50.800 I think it was 1958 23:50.800 --> 23:52.300 1958 23:52.300 --> 23:54.800 when this complex was very new 23:54.800 --> 23:56.800 and I told some of the youngsters here. 23:56.800 --> 24:03.000 I saw a baseball stadium called Gilmore Stadium torn 24:03.000 --> 24:03.400 down. 24:03.400 --> 24:05.900 All right on this site and I saw this 24:05.900 --> 24:09.700 building going up in the same. 24:09.700 --> 24:12.200 In that Gilmore stadium was wow. 24:12.200 --> 24:13.900 And here we are again. 24:13.900 --> 24:14.900 I go back 24:14.900 --> 24:15.600 pretty far back. 24:15.600 --> 24:16.200 And you were 24:16.200 --> 24:16.800 already here. 24:16.800 --> 24:17.400 You're a natural. 24:17.400 --> 24:19.400 I mean you you were born in Los Angeles. 24:19.400 --> 24:20.400 I'm a native Angelina. 24:20.400 --> 24:22.300 So you've seen the city 24:22.300 --> 24:26.400 grow and change and it's just amazing the transformation, 24:26.400 --> 24:27.900 you know, 24:27.900 --> 24:29.100 when I was a kid 24:29.100 --> 24:31.500 the tallest building in Los Angeles 24:31.500 --> 24:32.400 was 24:32.400 --> 24:33.500 city hall 24:33.500 --> 24:34.900 because we had 24:34.900 --> 24:37.800 an ordinance that said building couldn't be 24:37.800 --> 24:39.800 more than 13 stories. 24:39.800 --> 24:42.500 Now we have a seventy four story building in 24:42.500 --> 24:43.700 Downtown LA 24:43.700 --> 24:45.400 the tallest building 24:45.400 --> 24:47.200 west of the Mississippi 24:47.200 --> 24:49.100 and it is a beautiful building 24:49.100 --> 24:50.000 any more 24:50.000 --> 24:52.300 political Ambitions in your future. 24:52.300 --> 24:54.000 Well, I intend to be active in the political 24:54.000 --> 24:55.100 Arena, you know 24:55.100 --> 24:56.000 all the time 24:56.000 --> 24:58.100 and I think this is because of my childhood 24:58.100 --> 24:59.100 experiences 24:59.100 --> 25:00.000 being 25:00.000 --> 25:01.800 incarcerated behind 25:01.800 --> 25:02.300 u.s. 25:02.300 --> 25:03.400 Internment camps. 25:03.400 --> 25:05.100 We were in two of them, 25:05.100 --> 25:05.600 you know, 25:05.600 --> 25:08.600 my father used to say 25:08.600 --> 25:12.000 American democracy is a great democracy 25:12.000 --> 25:14.700 but both its strength and its weakness 25:14.700 --> 25:16.700 is in the fact that it's a true people's 25:16.700 --> 25:17.900 democracy 25:17.900 --> 25:19.400 and it can be as great as a people 25:19.400 --> 25:20.100 can be 25:20.100 --> 25:21.800 but it can be as fallible 25:21.800 --> 25:23.000 as people can be 25:23.000 --> 25:24.400 and that's why 25:24.400 --> 25:25.600 good people 25:25.600 --> 25:27.900 need to be in the process 25:27.900 --> 25:28.600 in this 25:28.600 --> 25:30.500 participatory democracy 25:30.500 --> 25:32.100 and participate in it. 25:32.100 --> 25:33.100 So, 25:33.100 --> 25:34.300 you know, 25:34.300 --> 25:35.700 I've been active 25:35.700 --> 25:38.400 since even before I could vote my father was 25:38.400 --> 25:40.000 A great support of 25:40.000 --> 25:42.500 Stevenson's and so he took me over to at 25:42.500 --> 25:44.300 least Stevenson's headquarters 25:44.300 --> 25:45.800 and volunteered me 25:45.800 --> 25:47.500 and 25:47.500 --> 25:48.200 it was 25:48.200 --> 25:50.600 a lot of fun as well as exciting 25:50.600 --> 25:53.500 and also I began to understand the importance of 25:53.500 --> 25:55.400 participation in the political process. 25:55.400 --> 25:56.000 So, 25:56.000 --> 25:56.900 you know, 25:56.900 --> 25:59.400 I urge people to cast 25:59.400 --> 26:02.400 inform boats, but also then to support the good 26:02.400 --> 26:04.200 candidates and the good issues 26:04.200 --> 26:07.000 and then beyond that to serve on public 26:07.000 --> 26:08.300 commissions and boards. 26:08.300 --> 26:08.800 Odds 26:08.800 --> 26:10.300 and then 26:10.300 --> 26:13.300 ultimately 26:13.300 --> 26:15.100 is to offer yourself for 26:15.100 --> 26:16.500 public service 26:16.500 --> 26:17.400 and I won't be any. 26:17.400 --> 26:18.600 Well you won't be running 26:18.600 --> 26:21.100 for any office because Star Trek has 26:21.100 --> 26:22.100 taught me that 26:22.100 --> 26:22.300 well. 26:22.300 --> 26:22.800 Yeah, 26:22.800 --> 26:24.800 it creates it gives you a forum. 26:24.800 --> 26:26.800 Anyways, right 26:26.800 --> 26:28.300 and 26:28.300 --> 26:30.200 just getting back to the original subject. 26:30.200 --> 26:32.600 You know, we saw you on Will & Grace 26:32.600 --> 26:33.600 last week and 26:33.600 --> 26:37.100 you know, their humor is very over-the-top anyway, 26:37.100 --> 26:38.400 but you know they made 26:38.400 --> 26:40.900 Remarks about you that we're kind of pushing the 26:40.900 --> 26:41.100 edge. 26:41.100 --> 26:42.200 I mean, how did you do 26:42.200 --> 26:43.800 that? And and all the other jokes that are 26:43.800 --> 26:44.000 out there. 26:44.000 --> 26:45.600 How do you sort of feel about that? Do 26:45.600 --> 26:47.900 you think they may go too far sometimes or 26:47.900 --> 26:49.200 do you have a good you seem to have 26:49.200 --> 26:50.600 a pretty good sense of humor about it 26:50.600 --> 26:52.700 comedy is exaggeration 26:52.700 --> 26:55.000 comedy is you know, magnificent 26:55.000 --> 26:56.400 magnifying 26:56.400 --> 26:58.000 human foibles 26:58.000 --> 26:59.000 and 26:59.000 --> 27:00.900 it's more a reflection. 27:00.900 --> 27:02.500 I mean the 27:02.500 --> 27:03.500 Jack 27:03.500 --> 27:04.600 who's got this 27:04.600 --> 27:06.300 deck McFarland Sean played by Sean Hayes. 27:06.300 --> 27:07.600 Sean Hayes 27:07.600 --> 27:08.300 has this 27:08.300 --> 27:08.800 the 27:08.800 --> 27:09.800 gay 27:09.800 --> 27:11.100 talk show 27:11.100 --> 27:12.400 and 27:12.400 --> 27:15.400 he's being threatened because there's a merger and 27:15.400 --> 27:18.600 and reactionaries are taking over his 27:18.600 --> 27:21.200 the network and putting his show 27:21.200 --> 27:22.100 in Jeopardy. 27:22.100 --> 27:25.800 And so he refers to me as a 27:25.800 --> 27:28.800 giggling prancing and seeing Giglio Queen. 27:28.800 --> 27:29.600 Yeah, 27:29.600 --> 27:30.300 you know 27:30.300 --> 27:33.500 that reflects more on the character of Jack 27:33.500 --> 27:35.200 then I'll me because I didn't play him like 27:35.200 --> 27:36.300 a giggling prancing. 27:36.300 --> 27:36.700 You know, 27:36.700 --> 27:38.400 you were just looking at a time. 27:38.400 --> 27:39.000 What 27:39.000 --> 27:42.000 what was this? Yeah, 27:42.000 --> 27:43.200 but you take it all in stride. 27:43.200 --> 27:44.500 I tell ya, 27:44.500 --> 27:46.800 you know, it's obviously 27:46.800 --> 27:47.900 comedy 27:47.900 --> 27:48.900 and 27:48.900 --> 27:52.500 and you know, the character was named George Takei, 27:52.500 --> 27:54.900 but he was a character that was invention of 27:54.900 --> 27:56.100 that wasn't me? 27:56.100 --> 27:59.000 That was a character named George Takei written by 27:59.000 --> 27:59.500 the 27:59.500 --> 28:01.500 writing staff of 28:01.500 --> 28:02.200 of 28:02.200 --> 28:03.200 Will and Grace. 28:03.200 --> 28:04.500 So, you know, you have to 28:04.500 --> 28:06.000 take all this with a 28:06.000 --> 28:07.300 little tongue-in-cheek. 28:07.300 --> 28:07.800 Well, that's great. 28:07.800 --> 28:08.300 That's great. 28:08.300 --> 28:09.400 We you know, when you when you have a 28:09.400 --> 28:11.500 sense of humor about it, I think you know, 28:11.500 --> 28:13.300 you just make your own case and people like 28:13.300 --> 28:15.200 you that much more. 28:15.200 --> 28:17.000 Well, I hope so and you can invite are 28:17.000 --> 28:18.200 you going to be doing any more 28:18.200 --> 28:19.400 guest appearances 28:19.400 --> 28:21.100 on TV shows that we should look out for? 28:21.100 --> 28:23.100 Oh, I'd love to 28:23.100 --> 28:23.800 right now. 28:23.800 --> 28:24.600 There's 28:24.600 --> 28:26.700 their irons in the fire, you know that's being 28:26.700 --> 28:27.800 discussed but 28:27.800 --> 28:29.900 no contract side and so 28:29.900 --> 28:30.500 I'm 28:30.500 --> 28:32.500 keeping my fingers crossed and knocking on wood. 28:32.500 --> 28:32.800 Okay. 28:32.800 --> 28:34.600 Well, we hope to see a lot more 28:34.600 --> 28:36.200 my understand you have a few more interviews to 28:36.200 --> 28:37.300 do today. 28:37.300 --> 28:38.400 So 28:38.400 --> 28:40.000 Thank you very much for 28:40.000 --> 28:42.000 coming here and joining us 28:42.000 --> 28:44.100 and I'll by the way happy birthday in advance. 28:44.100 --> 28:46.700 Thank you, April 20th, April 20th 28:46.700 --> 28:47.900 last thing would you 28:47.900 --> 28:50.100 just indulge us for just a moment and just 28:50.100 --> 28:52.400 for parts posterity sake would you mind saying oh 28:52.400 --> 28:55.700 my 28:55.700 --> 29:01.300 oh my 29:01.300 --> 29:01.900 thank you George. 29:01.900 --> 29:03.100 It's been a real honor. 29:03.100 --> 29:04.400 It's been fun. 29:04.400 --> 29:06.300 Thanks for joining us. 29:06.300 --> 29:08.300 We'll see you again soon on startrek.com. 29:08.300 --> 29:08.600 cam